hey dequilo 
it’s looking great at your place and it’s obvious you know what your doing! thanks for that interesting grow log!
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@mndlss I am glad you like it stop by anytime
it starting to come around when I moved back in my my plants had
taken a beating
make seeds and share them
Dequilo
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Yep f1 normally results in hybrid vigor because the dominate genes from both sides represent themselves , as long as there isent a recessive bad trait on both sides already.
When you creat f2 both parents now have a copy of all the genes and the recessives double up and can become dominate. If the recesive trait is the color purple you might want that , if the recesive trait is a atypical growth mutation now your in trouble.
F3 is where you start stabilize the traits you want if you haven’t found any negetive traits being brought out in the f2 generation.
This is why breeding stable qaulity genetics takes time you have to test the results of your breeding before going forward or you will lock in and stabilize bad traits or mutations. Gene inheritance predictions are not fully possible yet , there is alot that is not understood but will be soon.
I myself want plants that have the thaumatin-like protein ( CsTLP) on both parental sides to work towards pm resistant and or immune plants.
Here is a link to alot of reading on genetic inheritance and breeding studies.
Gmo is right around the corner , kids at Berkeley are already using yeast to grow thc, they will be brewing it up thousends of gallons at a time.
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f2s are like the children in deliverance why the brother, sister reference
but you are so right if a breeder does the hard work and takes the time the f3s are
the offspring that are getting true to type
that is why when I see f2s for ungodly amount of money I cringe
even if you had a crystal ball there will be things in the wood pile that could come back
to haunt you
I do buy F2s knowingly and buy 60 knowing full well 40 will hit the trash can
if I am looking to work them but better just start at the f1 and do the work yourself
and make a boat load of your own f2s than just go thru them
The are GMO yeast to do opium if we are do careful we will destroy our biosphere
with freak fish, plants, etc , etc
I have been looking to do a single acre of hemp for a seed test run
but I have had a hard time finding a farmer that does not do herbicide burn and no till
farming
I am in to building soil, healthy soil gives you healthy plants at no cost other than building healthy soil
but we destroy arable soil at a scary rate
but do the same to potable water, so sad
your beans rock you my friend you put in the work
thank you
Dequilo
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Either way you look at it, it depends on what fgen the breeder is actually releasing.
With the buyer automatically assuming they’re f1’s.
Very few f1’s get released, im sure. Not by the “pros” anyway. cough cough
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Yeah unfortently most breeders now a days are just jumping on the hype train , bottlenecking all the new elites together and not really breeding with any goals besides being a breeder and making money. There are still some true to the plant people out there who care about putting qaulity genetics in people’s hands but I feel like it’s definitely not the majority with so many people starting seed companies in the last few years.
I laugh every time I hear of that strain killing fields because that’s a great description of my testing grounds 
I kill off more supposed elite varieties then most people can get there hands on, sometimes there is a winner but more often then not there rather disappointing
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it is hard 
that is why I just bought beans from them boys in BC
their falls and mine are the same on the Islands
their stuff finishes outside here without the bud rot and stone you to the bone
Mikado, Time Warp
that is why I cannot wait for these Island Sweet Skunks to get in the ground
I want to make beans…but I want to smoke those big fat buds
another ninety days
Dequilo
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I think the problem for most is if people take your f1 to f2 and breed in a different direction and keep calling it The same thing it can become a false representation of your work.
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It is sad. I’m glad I have you folks for breeder references. In the future I would like to breed something of my own once I know what I’m looking for.
Alot of people are about the hype. IMO There’s alot more money in seeds then actual buds. I have a massive amount of respect for people that take the time to do the work.
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Dude I spend a shit ton of my go to work money on cuts I ended up with weak ass
trash that was at best was sick
Now I will be fair my setup/grow room was a mess and had problems
I will never buy a cut again there is nothing I want that bad and the prices are crazy
so I will start from beans and do the work to find what I want for myself and
share the seeds freely along the way as I work for my money and grow for my
Mental Health it takes the edge off for me
I do like some of Sannie’s work and some not so much
but that was my grow after the Mites moved in, but we are on the rebound and growing
again
as with everything in life when money comes in play things change not always for the better
I have watched seed pimps crash and burn most spectacularly since OG 1
watched them love each other, hate each other and love again
all for coin how sad is that
I am no better there was a time in my life where I would kiss my money everyday
because loved my money
and it was a cause for me to do bad things, in 1995 I let it all go and life got so much better
and they way I treated people became ethical
a sad thing for me here is when I see people that have no need for seeds jumping on free seeds
if you are looking to build a seeds collection buy them, trade for them, make them
taking from people sharing is great but remember the new grower because at one time that was us all
and he my need them to start not put in a freezer
I have spend 500 maybe 600 dollars this fall on beans most would not buy or have never
heard of to make f1s of my own stuff to share freely
after talking with the guy that bought 3 feminized beans at 12 dollars a bean plus shipping
and got two males out of three
my blood boils he reach out to the seed whore and got nothing
so i gave him three packs of greenpoint seeds I had in breeders packs yesterday to say
hey we all are not bad people and sorry for the trouble
I had a problem with two seed seller in my mind just now and one may or may not
be taking care of
but I have the were with all to squeak and maybe get something done, I did go to another
broad and post about my problem and love the nut huggers and their defense of the seed vendor
I do go out of my way to try an post nice always trying to be respectful
I was going to say to each and everyone of the poster that wanted to get into my business
with the seed seller to just give me my seeds I bought or my money
if not then crawl back under your rock you came from
grown ups are talking
but so it goes eh?
make seeds and share them
Dequilo
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My Friend make them for yourself and how could you go wrong
make seeds and share them
Dequilo
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Update 01/10/2021
First before I forget and post any Blah Blah Blah
A tip of the hat to all you tent growers I am amazed on how well you all do and how you mange
you space
I could OverGrow my 2 1/2 acres without trying and my 8 foot by 16 foot room in two weeks or so
will be packed
you all do great Kudos!!! thanks for share your grows folks
OK here we go I do love doing my own threads I can do post after post and not edit and add
I would also take the time to Thank Each and Everyone who has posted here
I love when we can share the info we have learned along the way freely without the
bullshit
so on with the show
so in a couple of weeks I will have no room and will need to hack at my moms
to get some room so this will get strange quickly
things are starting to grow I did feed everyone with 1/4 teaspoon of Jack’s 20-20-20 and
1 teaspoon of Silica Blast to 2 gallons of water to start
you can always give your plants more, I have been reading threads here of folks flushing
over watered plants
so you see where this is headed 
let the abuse begin back at OG one I would pots my plants being hack at and people
like Uncle Ben, Butcher Bob would have a heart attack than tell me about how the
leaves are a store house of nutrition/food for the plants
I would ask why than if I cut off 2/3 of the top growth of a plant does that plants explode with
new growth?
never would I get a straight answer
put up this plant
on the first OG people like oh my God this is 2 maybe 3 weeks into flower
it is a BC Big Bud
folks are like what a great strain look at the great calyx to leaf ratio
I had to laugh it is amazing what will happen if you cut off 50 % of the foliage
we have been pruning, cutting and training plant since the day we started domesticating
them why would it be different with Cannabis?
so all enjoy your day and keep posting your thoughts as I love to hear them
make seeds and share them
Dequilo
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That is amazing! 3 weeks of flower? I’m floored. I know what I’m going to get.
You remember how long you veged her for?
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I always veg for 8 weeks at the least easier to let them preflower themselves thru
age than force
but I force plants then reveg if needed
but I will say it has nothing to with veg or how long it has to do with the fact that
the plant you see was trained with a pair of scissors
I cut off any branches or leaves that were not where I wanted them to be
think topiary
I took Ornamental Horticulture/Arboriculture in College which has a lot to with pruning plants and trees
I cut off anything and cut a plant back as needed they will grow more branches and leaves
just how I grow working under a 400 watt lamp gives you a size restraint
40 inches tall from the top of the pot and 40 inches wide
keep it there and you will have hard bud top to bottom
as you can see
same run of plants a Skunk 1 in a pressed peat pot
make beans and share them
Dequilo
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Excellent work and informative reading! Well done!
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Looking good , I used to get alot of shit for my heavy printing practices also. To answer why a plant grows so fast after being trimmed back isent that hard and I bet you knew the answer when asking lol
When you trim the plant heavily it still has the same amount of roots pushing water into the plant. Do to the loss of canopy the pressure increases from the roots and they grow new shoots much faster . My buddy just about died when he saw me cut 3/4 of a plant back, pull it out of the pot cut off half the roots and repotted
it in new soil. He was sure that it would die as it was already sick. I brought him a happy clone three weeks later and he was dumbfounded.
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Monster Cookie x UBC Chemo f1
I let this plant get up to the fourth or fifth node cut it back to the second node
I will let it come back after removing some leafs here and there
let the new four leaders go until the each are four of five nodes and whack them
back to their second nodes
let them come back and remove leaves and branches that do not fit my needs
I had people tell me you are going to make them into hermie
you are cutting off all the plant food storage
I would tell them what I was doing is removing the terminal buds to remove the hormone
that keeps lateral buds dormant
so the the dormant lateral buds can be come new terminal buds
but that can be a hard sell to people that want to project people traits into plants
you and I both have been at this for to long I found it better to just do what I do and
so I just show folks what I do if they try it great if not great
I watched good growers crash and burn arguing points that are meaningless either way
I have found in my growing it is about what works for me in my setup, that is what one as a
grower needs to find
pick and chose things you see other folks are doing that works and they may work for you
I have watched folks turn Hempy buckets in the NFT type of work for hydro
I posted with Hempy they were suppose to be ez to move people toward active hydro after have
a great grow in passive hydro
I just keep growing, hacking at plants and trying to have fun growing while I do it
you vial Bs are under a couple 600 MH running under 14 hours of light? they good with that @Heritagefarms
also do the autos need flower food? I would guess yes they would like it but is 20-20-20 OK?
I am going to give them a shot of 10-30-20 to help them think about flowering
if they need HPS I will give them that also
I do call it a weed and folks are like it is not it sure grows like one if you let it
make beans and share them
Dequilo
and you do indeed thanks for letting me try your work
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Amen to that 
, I owe to people like you my slight improvements in my grows, thanks for sharing your thoughts and knowledge with us … 
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@George thank you that is why I post lots of photos and try to show exactly what
I do and how I do it
I do also try to give people an overview as to why I am doing what I am doing and trying to
achieve
do I have problems? sure do post them right up for you to see and maybe avoid it in your growing
seeing others fail helps one to learn how not to go down that road
it took awhile but the Mites are gone or at the least under control and the plants are now healthy
getting feed and some silica to harden them up
you My Friend owe me nothing you took what I freely gave to you and learned
that is in and of itself the pay off for me
I returned to you what someone had given to me and some day My Friend you will pay me back
by helping someone else
all the best in your grow
Dequilo
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That should be good untill you see them start to flip and then I’d go to a more traditional flower mix.
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