I haven’t, the horizontal branches don’t snap as described by others so I’ll take the chance 
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I respectfully disagree. Once you have seen a few plants with it, really stands out against healthy girls. Its mostly the horizontal branching that is most visible. The overlapping leaves not so much. Have seen severely infected plants with branches that fall off if you just look at them, but no overlapping blades.
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^ I’m here for Pat’s reply to that 
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Hey folks save money on those Tumi tests and just message BigF pictures of your plants. He can guarantee to test your plant for HLVD off of pictures online. Sweet!! That’ll save people a lot of money.
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not totally wrong lmfao - I think scoping thru photos can still be helpful tho.
If you were looking for a reason to keep it you can still get it tested, but if you were thinkin its junk and have some peer verification it feels better to just throw out immediately and not waste the time or cost testing.
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Will you be journaling this plant? I would love to follow along.
I have a feeling that as a community, we’re too focused on labeling viroids. While it may not be TMV or HLVD. It could be another virus, one that hasn’t been sequenced affecting cannabis before. I say this being from an area where an unknown coffee virus decimated many of the local farms’ crops. They eventually found out it was a soil borne disease… but that’s irrelevant to this.
Cannabis is now being grown in many places where it previously hadn’t… or not at that scale. Insects will adapt. Viruses will too.
I dealt with what I’m very certain was a viroid, that I hypothesize was spread between plants by thrips. Off pictures alone, a Tumi scientist told me it was best to just throw the plants out and not spend the money on the kit. I forget what other HLVd thread I posted the screen shot on, but it’s on here somewhere.
My current ideology is that if I suspect a plant, I chuck it. It’s not worth my sanity, as I’d always be suspecting it or it’s progeny of something.
Just my dos cents.
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Except when the plant in question is asymptomatic which does happen and means testing is really a must for anyone protecting a big collection of genetics and sensible in order to reduce spread to the wider community.
Suggesting it can be diagnosed via pictures instead of testing is just irresponsible. There is no way to say a plant definitely does not have it without testing.
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Just curious, to the OP - why must you use clones?
Get some quality seeds and germinate them.
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Ive had some worries about HLVD. Ill get a picture when I get home in the morning. But my new growth leaves are exhibiting odd behavior. They seem like theyre super stressed for no reason. Very small and curled up towards the light.
Im sure thats not enough information so ill get the picture up when I can. But if anyone has any insight in the meantime.
Kinda pissing me off. Have done a lot of pheno hunting and everything might be a waste.
Not every hottie has aids
When you walk in a room and see a row of plants with those branches, its pretty obvious, never said a visual inspection was a 100 percent accurate diagnoses. Why are you being like this? Never did anything to you, but you overstated what I was saying and attacked me. That is a really helpful community attitude there buddy, keep up the good work.
I didnt suggest that at all. Point I was making was that when you see horizontal branches and other symptoms, you can be pretty sure the plant is infected. Guessing you have never dealt with HLV infected plants first hand.
Two people attacked me for saying that. WTF?
Let’s all get along, maaaaan. Also, it’s okay.
Their issue is you making these claims. You can’t be “pretty sure” because of those traits. For example I have a w. Zkittles with a branch shearing trait. I have a Peshawar with almost completely horizontal branching. If you want to pay for testing, I can almost guarantee they’ll both come back clean. I agree with a lot of your points and think your perspective is valid, just not totally accurate. No one is attacking you, in my opinion. No one expects you to be right about everything
Yes you can watch it travel through healthy plants and observe the symptoms. Yes I’ve seen it and worked around it on a commercial scale. What makes is so difficult to spot before testing is how variable it’s symptoms are, big dog. It can make it’s way through a whole batch of plants and cause dudding in 10-20%. Often times the idea is to toss those susceptible plants, clean and keep it moving. It is impractical on a large scale to ditch everything and start new so the idea is to get ahead of it by culling the most susceptible plants. Some are far more susceptible than others and that is a conundrum on a large scale.
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I have noticed some hlvd like symptoms and now they look like this in flower. Ima be bummed if this turns out to be the case.
These are well maintained plants. They should not look like this.
Wanted to see what those US hype strains are all about I don’t mind a break from growing so even if I have to restart everything it’s ok.
I’ll probably only start from seed from now on, although it seems even this isn’t guaranteed to be problem-free nowadays…
What do you see in those pictures that makes you think hop latent?
With the uptick of fusarium infections in the US, seeds aren’t safe either. If your going to continue using clones, the only way you can prevent this is to protect yourself. You have to test and not trust anyone
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