Yessssssss!!! This is exactly what I’ve been thinking about lately, something I thought about including in that post, actually, but then I figured,”Alright, you’ve written enough…” haha. I think that’s actually a real possibility and probably very true.
Which is interesting, because Bodhi’s Gold Star (Malawi Gold x Sensi Star) didn’t make me feel uncomfortable at all, whereas straight Sensi Star HAS made me feel a little uncomfortable. Again, just initially. Eventually, it leveled out and made me feel pretty lazy. I mean, it’s been a long, long time since I’ve blazed straight Sensi Star, but yeah, that may have even been one of the first “Indica” lines that made me think,”Wait, I thought this was supposed to make me feel chill,” haha.
I think the whole Sativa / Indica thing is just a naming mis-hap that’s been perpetuated so long, that now it’s being used to try and describe effects, instead of the region of the plant. In the world of poly-hybrids, everyone wants to know if it’s weed that’ll bring you up, or chill you out - and that’s really the only two classifications we have for effects.
Sativa in Latin means cultivated, or usefully cultivated. If you look at the scientific names of a lot of herbs or food plants, they’ll end in Sativa, like Oats for example, Avena sativa. Cannabis Sativa is definitely useful, to me, but at the time, I believe it was classified that way because it was useful as hemp rope and other uses. How and when we started associating more uplifting, giggly effects or even the region where it grows, with the name Sativa, I don’t really know. I think we should have really named it from the region where it grew wild and naturally, I guess, or was being cultivated for generations? Cannabis Afghanica, Cannabis Indica (from India), so on and so on. Now I like using ‘equatorial’ to describe what’s commonly known as Sativa, plants that grow really tall with wispy or loose flowers to combat mold, because their environment demands it. And Broadleaf to describe the shorter bigger leafed plants. But, the cat’s outta the bag really…
Sorry kind of rambling, it’s just a big mess. Especially since effects vary from person to person, what one person may say is uplifting may not be for others. I do notice for me, it seems to be more about the terpenes and what I smell in the herb, that influences the effects. If I smell the bright terpinolene smell, I usually get the uplifting, creative, giggly effects from the ganja. If I’m smelling rank, skunky smells, it’s usually more chill for me. I wish there was a better system damnit! I guess we’re all still trying to figure that out.
I think another point worth considering is set and setting, and folks just having a general awareness of the ways their mind and body work in. I.e. are you a generally anxious person? Are you super laid back etc. that coupled with the fact that peoples endocannabinoid (spelling?) systems vary so wildly definitely has me agreeing with you for the most part. I do generally try to stay away from sativas just because those have been the kinds of flowers that have given me the most trouble in the past in terms of Inducing anxiety etc. but I’m opening myself up to them more and more in my journey as a grower. Although something like a haze, where almost everyone who reviews it mentions the kind of racy panicked effects feels like it’s still a little too big league for me at this point. But yea, I lost my train a little. I agree with you for sure that the language we use to describe these varieties need to level up a little more, but more than anything I think people need to try shit out to see how it effects them, take the reviews as a guide with a grain of salt, but get your hands on it, try it, and decide for yourself right?
@syzygy I don’t wanna overrun your thread with my bullshit, so I’ll just post the Golden Triangle pics here. I had a serious fungus gnat infestation that would just not go away for that entire grow, which is probably why she looked so rough. It’s definitely why I chopped her at day 60. I wanted to let her go a little longer, if I remember correctly, but the fungus gnats just kept coming back and back and back. I was really over it at two months of flower, so down she went. That was before nube turned me on to Gnatrol. And anyway, the less-than-ideal growing conditions and the slightly early chop didn’t seem to affect anything at all (except how she looked), still smoked really great. She was for sure some of the tastier weed I’ve grown in the last couple years, although her flowers smelled like a dirty, wet rug haha.
Sounds good, reminds me of my experience with Devil’s HP a bit. Smells like mild skunky soap but when vaporized immediately transforms the general area into smelling intensely like a church. Will definitely try at least a few of these next round, thanks!
Interesting, thanks hermano. These do have those super fat leaves (as do the A5 x DE), so I’ll see if I end up with a girl and may just wait to pop the whole pack and look for the pheno you found.
Yeah, I actually just scrolled up to see if maybe the #1 plant, the one that I’m assuming was a DE-leaner based on the lack of stretch and also on the way she smokes, looked anything like the ones you’re growing early on in veg, but she didn’t at all. Still had relatively thin leaves and doesn’t look to have been as compact as the ones in your pic.
Still, environmental factors, lighting blahblahblah, you know how it is… Same strain grown in different environments and all that…
Yeah, appreciate it man and my sex tests from farmerfreeman came back both of them male. I’m excited about the cross but given that it looks more DE/something heavy, I don’t think I’ll keep them and pop the whole pack in a few weeks and try to find your CG leaner.
Aaarrrggghhh haha. That sucks. I still woulda been interested to see how they turned out for you, fat leaves notwithstanding. I’ve had some plants that start off with those fat-ass leaves and then, after flipping, they grow progressively thinner and more Sativa-esque-type leaves, mighta been cool to see if those plants did the same thing. But yeah, if they’re males, trash ‘em haha.
If you don’t find one, I still have a bunch of those seeds, so you know… knudgeknudgewinkwink. I think that cross is definitely one to keep around, so if you have any trouble finding a C. Gold leaner… You will, of course, have to send me back any seeds you make with it haha!!!
I know I’ve already mentioned this, but I really didn’t get the impression from Doc when I sent him a picture of that huge plant that it was anything out of the ordinary. He definitely didn’t act like,”OMG, you found The One!!!” He actually was kind of like,”Yeah, those big plants are pretty special…” like it was a fairly common phenotype or whatever. I hope it’s pretty common, anyway haha. That’d suck if I got some crazy outlier plant that you only find in one out of a hundred seeds or something.
That’s awesome to hear! I kept the A5 x DE male so I’ll make f2s as well as hit the C5 x Nevil’s Haze and I’ll send some your way as I’d love to see what pops up in those f2s. After I flip the veggers in that tent now, I’m going to pop the rest of that pack and hopefully I’m able to pick out the pheno within the first two weeks since you mentioned the leaf morphology being noticeably different from the start
Well, I mean, don’t take my word as gospel or anything. I only vegged three and flowered two, so… I’d think that, no matter how they look in veg, you should flower them all out. Like I said (and I’m sure you’ve noticed this yourself), sometimes those “Sativa”-dominant crosses start out with surprisingly fat leaves and then thin out once they’ve been flipped. I’ve got a theory about that, but I don’t feel like typing it all out right now haha. I do think it’s a legit theory, though.
And again, with the different grow environments, different lighting, different soil mix, different everything, I wouldn’t put too much stock into the differences between my C. Gold x DE plants and yours. I really think that flowering everything would be the best way to see what you got. I also just kinda hate when people trash plants just because of the way they look while they’re vegging haha! I actually thought about doing that with some of Bodhi’s Time Bandits a couple years ago, couldn’t stand the way looked about 30 or 40 days in. But I stuck with them and they turned out to be really, really good smoke.
I’m glad to have finally found your journal! I’ve got a lot of catching up to do. Just wanted to say thanks for fantastic strain reviews. They really give me a good sense of the herb. It might inspire me to take a little more time on my own, probably not though lol.
Oh, shit, man, I thought you’ve been here this whole time haha! Well… Welcome? I guess? Haha! Seriously, you haven’t been chiming in on this one? Coulda sworn I’ve seen some comments from you… haha.
I guess I have like three more smoke reports to do and then that’ll be the end of this log, but I’ll tag you when I start the next one in a month or two if you want. I’m just waiting for everything to show sex, but that won’t be for at least another four weeks or so.
Well, I was following along and commenting over a GL but then you stopped posting there (just like I did). So maybe that’s what you’re remembering. But then I was itching to see how those sativas ended up and finally found you here. Yes, please tag me when you start the next one, thanks!
Looking really good in here! I’m inspired to check out a few sativas myself, not straight up, but like hybrid sativas. I’ve got seedlings going of Kali Mist F4 by AKBB and plan on running the Blue Dream clone next round as well. Also have seedlings of SinCity’s White Nightmare which is (Blue Dream x White Moonshine). I’ve got a couple crosses of Doc D’s with Bandaid Haze in it, nothing straight up. I’ll eventually try them out. I have a few crosses with his Beasty Boy dad which is [Yo Mama (Afgooy x Appalachia) x Bandaid Haze F1].
I still post there! I just don’t update my own log haha. I mean, I dunno, it’s like writing two logs…? That’s too much work haha! I definitely still comment on other people’s shit, though. Because I can’t NOT comment.
That sounds real good! I’m not sure I’ve ever actually blazed any Kali Mist, definitely never grown any, but everything I’ve ever read about it makes me go,”Gawddamn, I wish I could’ve gotten some of those seeds in, like, 1998…” haha. Hopefully AKBB started with some of those older seeds and not the newer Serious releases. I’m sure yours’ll turn out real good, though. I think I saw someone mention something about some super-skunky phenos of that f4 line or something the other day? Maybe on the Bodhi thread, I dunno, but that sounds tasty. Hopefully you’ll get some skunky plants that still have the “classic” Kali Mist high, which has always sounded very good to me.
Yayyyyyy! That’ll be awesome. I’ve always loved Blue Dream, never understood this ridiculous,”Blue Dream sucks!” internet bullshit. It’s good weed! Just such a “Peaceful Easy Feeling”-type of weed haha, straight “Cali” haha. I’ve got a pack of Bodhi’s Dream Lotus that I’m DYING to plant, but since I only have one pack, I wanna make sure my cloning skills are all good before I pop some of those seeds, just in case I wanna keep that around. I think I will.
Yeah, those’ll probably turn out interesting, worth a run or two for sure. I saw someone, I think it was advancedbuffalo on the Doc D thread, mention that those Beastie Boy crosses are a little, uh… lethargic, kind of? Maybe? I dunno. I think someone said something about that, but I mean, who cares? Grow ‘em. I’m sure there’s some fire there.
Blue dream is another one I’ve never tried that folks seem to hate on. gotta be something nice about it if people were pumping it out they way they were in its hay day right?
Yeah, the real Santa Cruz Blue Dream is something special… I never understood all the hate either. Agree with Minitiger, that it fits the feel good cali vibe real well. I’d love to grow a legit cut one day, it’s still floating around.
Dude, have you learned nothing? Haha. Everybody’s full of shit, on the internet in general and on IG specifically. Blue Dream’s good weed. Yes, it was a great producer, which is why commercial growers pumped it out for years, but there was also a market for it. That market wouldn’t have existed if the weed sucked. People would’ve just stopped buying it. But they didn’t. I was buying lots of weed from dispensaries during Blue Dream’s heyday, it’s not like there was a lack of variety available. This was at the same time that Diablo and Fire and Skywalker OG and all of those OG’s were all over the place and Blue Dream was right there, too. People had options. I got a couple unreal batches of Tangerine Dream (yep) and NL5Haze and Cotton Candy Kush and all kinds of shit back then. Grape Ape, remember that one? Earth OG and Mars OG and Saturn OG… Haha. The “planetary OG’s”… It’s not like now, where only people with deep pockets can afford to be commercial growers and everything in every dispensary is the same shit because it’s just a handful of people vending to them. Blue Dream was out there and people bought it because they liked it.
I saw that All Star Clones was trying to sell “Blue Dream Sucks!” t-shirts on their website or somewhere about a year ago and was just like,”You fucking morons…” I can only assume that the people who are trying to campaign against Blue Dream are the same people who think that Girl Scout Cookies is good. And I mean, to each his own. Maybe they just like weed that makes them feel stupider than they already are, I dunno. But yeah, that whole,”Blue Dream sucks!” thing is fucking asinine.
Maybe if they’d been more self-aware, they woulda just said,”I’m sick of Blue Dream,” and tried to sell those t-shirts. Nobody was forcing people to blaze it, though. SoCal was never short on weed options haha…
Yeah I saw that silly shirt from All Star clones. I didn’t know hating on BD was a thing and I was confused by the whole thing. I’m specifically looking for that feel good, calm, not too racy weed. Some of these OGs I’m growing are just too powerful for me to chill outside with a joint of it.
Hit me up if you want any tips. Lots of easy methods to get it done. I’m FAR too successful with it at this point. I’m looking forward to never cloning again someday lol!
I’m not sure and he didn’t answer my request. But he did say he was hunting for the faster flowering varieties. That surprised me. Not sure what to expect with these. The first pack of seeds I ever bought was Serious Seeds Kali Mist. But back in 2009, not the pre-98 release. Even then they took 14 weeks to finish and made these massive fluffy buds. I just remember the smoke going so well with being outside and bike rides. It wasn’t heavy hitting at all, more like you could smoke a few joints throughout the day and it just kept building more and more until you were totally in the clouds. Such good weed. But most of my friends didn’t like it, called it “outdoor” lol. Dumbasses.
I think it’s clear I’ve learned nothing!! Hahaha, but yea I like that sentiment: “I’m sick of …(insert popular variety here)” instead of “(insert popular variety here)… SUCKS!!” Bring on the blue dream!!
gotta be something nice about it if people were pumping it out they way they were in its hay day right?