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Update on the Collab me and Doc did with his A5htbx maleā¦There are still some A5 Haze/Thai bx crosses left but most of the crosses are pretty much sold out or low stock. The Afropips RGB cross is 100 percent gone.
There wonāt be any more made and there is no more A5 Mirakel stock going out to the seed banks.
Most of my keepers from the Mirakel A5 haze hunts like the BHix3 #2, BHix3 Church, BHix3 #6, Blue Scream, Nigerian Rafiki 8 etc etc are available through haze valley nursery in California or privately available through the forum.
I have seeds stashed away so I can still hunt more A5htbx lines for my own library but the publicly available seed stock is getting low and the window of opportunity is closing.
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@nobodysnursery I saw some pictures of your lavender jack that thing looks unreal is that available through the forum?
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I was just eying a few of those crosses on Headies, guess I better pull the trigger before theyāre all gone.
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I donāt want to open a haze rabbit hole on the doc D thread but I do wanna say thisā¦
As far as the controversy about weather there is Thai in the A5t and A5htbx my opinion is that there is Thai in it.
Thatās based on me growing out hundreds of plants from that male and seeing the Thai influence in some of the progeny. Itās not a dominant profile in some crosses but comes out more in others. For exampleā¦you donāt see the thai phenos in the A5ix or BHix3 as much but they pop up a lot in the Wat Pho, lemon thai and J5. It depends on the cross. The A5 is the most dominant part of the male though.
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Cool charts broā¦
Cool story too. 
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Gotta see the palms. Only way to know if this is a bot.
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Dude, seriously, itās like he just canāt NOT mention his own shit in every thread.
Interesting. Iāve gotta take pics this morning to update my own log, Iāll post the Wat Pho pics here and you can tell me what you think 
. They didnāt stretch at all, donāt look Thai-ish to me, but itās just two females.
Iām stoked about them either way, but yeah, I was definitely expecting some stretchier, taller plants. As it is, Iāve got them on five-gallon buckets so that theyāre about the same height as the Cheese/Haze plants that stretched the way I was hoping they (and the Wat Phos) would.
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So my 5 pack of Black Bobo x Franks Little Beauties ended up as follows:
2x stunted/runts that stopped growing after popping 1st set of real leaves. Both culled.
Sent remaining 3 for sex testing.
2x male. Both culled. I donāt make seeds if I have the choice.
1x female has been transplanted and is currently happily vegging in my tent. (Lower left corner of pic from a couple days ago)
Other plants from seed include 4x Kinky Temple, 1x Wake of the Dragon. BH7 & MM31 from clone are looking kinda unhappy in the back. They were just transplanted and moved from the seedling/clone tent. When I peeked last night they were already looking better.
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Wow! Smacky posting pics! Sweet!
Which oneās the Wake plant? Left-hand side in the middle row? I only ask because Iām suuuuuper-interested in the Kinky Temple and it seems like itād be easier to eliminate the Wake from that pic than telling me which four the Kinkys are haha.
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I donāt think anyone really believes the Mirakel is pure Thai anymore. At best it was some kind of Thai hybrid. The male lineage was unknown thatās why they were given out as freebies by Karma. It was an accidental pollination from the beginning
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Alright, @nobodysnursery, here are the two Wat Phos I was talking about:
Those are seven-gallon pots theyāre in, just for size reference. They were also vegged for 60 days, so itās not like they were something that got flipped straight from seed or anything. What do you think?
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fuck, those look nice. i got a pack of em waiting for their turn. i recall you saying they didnt really smell like the citrus/lemon pledge/sour like the temple tho.
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Yep. Wake of the Dragon (Dragonsoul x Blueberry Temple) is left side middle row. Process of elimination is definitely easier than trying to list which ones are Kinky Temple.
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Ummmm, I donāt think I ever said anything about Temple smelling like that, just because Iāve never grown straight Temple before haha. There were some āsourā elements to a couple of Bodhiās Mountain Temples that I grew, but not āsourā in the way that everybody seems to be clamoring over lately (and that theyāll never find, no matter how much they post on weed-growing forums about it hahaā¦). Those Mountain Temples were more of a āsour/soft fruitā thing, though, and not Sour sour. Definitely no ālemon pledgeā thing at all, either.
The two Wat Phos in the picture above smell very ātropical fruitā though, very good. That seems to me to be more indicative of the Temple female. But, again, I have extremely limited experience with those crosses, so, you knowā¦
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gotcha, i grew two v1 temples, they were very lemon/ a bit pledge/ a bit sour (dont think sourd) on the back endā¦
maybe it wasnt you but someone said they didnt get any of that from their wat pho - tropical fruit sounds just as good tho. next run will be all a5/t crosses. so ill keep em posted here.
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Yeah, I wasnāt really expecting any sorta ālemon pledgeā from the Wat Phos. I mean, I wouldnāt mind it if they did end up smelling/tasting like that, I like lemon pledge flavors, but these are definitely more like āIsland Blissā haha!
They smell good! Hopefully Iāll be able to maintain that through the dry and cureā¦
The plant morphology is definitely confusing, though haha. Theyāre short and squat (Williamās Wonder influence, maybe?) and they smell like tropical fruit, so maybe a weird combo of the SSH in the Temple and the A5Thai? I dunno haha.
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The Wat pho has several different phenos.
The ones I like smelled like the classic dutch haze C smell with some soapy tropical undertones similar to jack Herer but more tropical.
The best phenos have a more fluffy haze like structure and a sharp astringent metallic high note to the terps.
Hereās a pic of my keeper wat pho female and maleā¦
Just for reference / comparison.
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The structure on those def has a lot of Northern Lights and Williams Wonder in the mix.
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Itās that ādutch Thaiā smell if that makes sense. The same type of floral smells thatās common in lemon Thai but not as lemony. Just floral. What ever all those seed bank thai hybrids were using back thenā¦itās that Thai smell. The Thai phenos from the Mirakel A5 have long fingers on the crowns and that distinct smell.
I donāt think itās Land race or Thai stick type of Thai.
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