Extreme Overnight Clawing - NO BUGS

Alwaays do a process of elimination

Are pots heavy ( longer than two days befor pot light and needingrewatered )? No , then it’s not overwatering

Is there a fan blowing directly on plant ? No , then not windburn

Is plant dark green ? Yes , then build up of n is answer

The more in control of the grow you are then. The easier is is to diagnose problems
: )

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I’ve seen so much N tox. More so on strains like White widow and northern lights. Claw followed by cabbaging. (My own term for leafy buds)

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Cabbaging haha get that in the defol in flower topics too lol

The nute compaanies like us to have green green plants , they bluffing you to think it’s good stuff masking what’s really going on in plant then we cant see other probs due to excessive green lol
We here to grow buds not leafs

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My Copa #5 similar problems…not wind damage that i do know…been with this plant since this one day it got overwatered…and i KNOW those #3 trade pots dont have enough of any nute to do it.
I tried to help with what ive seen and had happen.

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Never ever give tomato’s nitrogen, they hate it

If you’re certain it’s not over watered I would flush it for salt build up

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I feed my tomatoes miracle grow 24-8-16 and they like it.

@Mudballs your pic looks like too much N. I think that claw is different from the droop we’re looking at.

:+1:

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Finally! Lol…(hug)

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Maybe damage to the xylem/phloem in the stalk somewhere unseen?

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IMHO, the vermiculite, holds fluid like a mofo.
I also believe that it gets carried down to the bottom of the pot, where it does not dry back, while the peat and perlite give up their fluid content the bottom gets sludgey, there is where the crisis starts as the nitrogen does not get used, it becomes toxic.
I run a bastardized set up, part organic, then flowered in hydro trays. My pots are either flooded 24/7 or can be on a cycle timer, F&D’ing 2 times a day.
I’m using Power Blend tomato food, @ 550-600 ppm,s, ec 1.2ish. Then adding morbloom for flower as I finish them.
Myself, once I gave the finger to vermiculite in my weed gardens, and use it only for house plants, I do not see clawing much anymore.
Just my $.02

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@Mudballs yes too much n
That’s the most common general look to build up of n in most plants
( grower error ) The other look we talk about is rarer and more strain / pheno specific ( plant sensitive to regular n , equals genetics )

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…I’ve noticed these plants roots are insanely hyper sensitive…contributes alot to problems

But his is just 2 isolated tops…that’s not indicative of a soil sourced problem.
Yes process of elimination is vital…but you skipped a step…possible origins

As a result of build up of n your buds are airey and leafy as plant has to waste energy / power storeing n in leafs and not bud production , from distance colas looks good ( illusion from excess leafs ) but up close you can see said effects

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Cal mag with those numbers? Damn! Higher N than blood meal. Throw some calcitic lime down this fall for next years tomato crop. Or if you need the magnesium ( its high here in the soil. Just calcium is low) use Dolomite lime. I may be preaching to the choir here and I apologize if I am. I had been using dolomite not knowing that because I already had good numbers of magnesium in my soil, adding Dolomite lime increased the amount of calcium, but also magnesium, throwing my soil out of balance. A balanced soil has a 5 to 1 calcium to magnesium ratio. When this ratio is achieved you’ll know as weeds can’t germinate in the soil.
I would agree with either too much nitrogen for that particular fussy plant. Looks just like a thousand pictures of overdosed sativas . Some plants, like mentioned earlier, just prefer low amounts of nitrogen. Must be some tropical Sativa genetics coming to the surface. Very interesting that this occurred overnight though. Can’t rule out that wind burn if the whole plant was getting wind. Is that the case?
Did the plant get a feeding the day before?

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Interesting. My plant in question was a shishkaberry that showed a little sativa leaning.

It was also furthest away from the fan.

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Well… if it IS wind (my suspicion) then they won’t declaw themselves.

It is full of N but if it were too too high (:dress::smoking:) then there’d probably be burning too IMO.

Now I have a picture of @anon58740919 in a giant cock outfit waddling down the street laughing hysterically while rubbing his self & spewing on people. :joy::wave:

:evergreen_tree:

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I love you you absolute degenerate pervert vegetable :green_heart:

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Please educate me on UK slang. Does this make you a wanker or a tosser? Or both? :joy:

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That clawing sometimes happens indoors with narrow leaf types. Sometimes it can be N toxicity. At other times it can be because narrow leaf types seem to prefer a more natural spectrum of the sun which is heavier in blue (if you look at a daylight sun chart.). For some reason some plants seem to react like this to led lights or hid higher in reds. Under higher blues or mh they most of the times flatten back out. If your plant looks healthy overall an there is no tip burn i think it will be fine, just keep an eye on it.

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