sugar punch never had a regular version, was always a fem-cultivar.
but sannie made the silverfields as a kind of-regular version, but i am
not sure if those can be compared as femi vs. reg(, since they have
different pollen-donors to the same mother )
Sugar Punch = SSH x āThe Oneā (reversed)
Silverfields = SSH x Killing Fields F2 male
BUT i absolutely understood and also agree with your opinion, mate.
i also think that reg-versions hold up much better than fem-versions.
i grew some ak47 in both variants (both from serious
seeds) and the regs blasted away the fems by far.
= whenever i can choose i grab the reg.
Iām growing Sannieās Blueberry Heaven, I liked the deep sweetness of Sugar Punch, so Iām expecting something even sweeter, theyāre only 3 weeks in.
The description of itās origins;
In 2006, Sannie got a small amount of seeds from the cross: Blueberry sativa X kila queen / NYCD also called SMM (Sannie meets Motarebel). From these seeds a selection was made until two plants remained: The One and Blueberry indica. The One is a plant that has all the characteristics of an ideal Hybrid, strong smell and taste with an enormously strong effect of both high and stoned. Blueberry Indica as sister looks a lot but has more intense magenta coloured flowers and a stronger fruity smell with less diesel influences but with a more pronounced high but still stoned. Combining these two creates a mix of those two in the offspring and for the grower to decide which is the best one.
Hey Santero, of all the folks out there, I trust your information above most!!
Sugar Punch early on was a stunning strain. Second time I bought it, I found no delicious taste, no strong potent hits, it was not a waste of time, or anything, but it was shell of the first packet.
Thank you for correcting that!
I think itās a common misconception that feminized versions of a regular sex variety will result in similar plants to the reg version. I think the majority of feminized varieties are a result of reversing the regular version onto itself or another female of the same lineage. So, it has been inbred, and is more like a feminized F2 version of the F1 reg cultivar. The other process would be to start with the original parent varieties, finding a quality female that shares common traits with the male first used, and then reversing it to pollinate the original mother to the F1 reg variety that youāre trying to feminize. This would result in a F1 fem variety with more hybrid vigor & heterosis than the inbred S1/F2 version. Still, youāre using a different donor plant with different genetic coding. The combination of the new parents canāt be expected to produce identical offspring to the regular F1 variety.
(both unrelated ā¦
i donāt think sannie even knew that the earlier one excisted.)
anyhoo:
sannie kind-of āsimplifiedā the whole āsannie meets motaā-episode
and created a bit of confusion that was never officially cleared up.
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what sannie calls āblueberry indicaā and āthe oneā are in fact
phenos he found in the ātoxic blueā-seedline from motarebel.
(Sannie āsimplifyingā the lineage of motarebelās āToxic Blueā to
āBlueberry Sativaā x Killa Queen / NYCD, didnāt help things, lol.)
soā¦
Blueberry Heaven =
āBlueberry Indicaā X āThe Oneā = Toxic Blue āF2ā (but in fem version)
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i hope this helps a tiny bit ā¦
the information is still out there in detail on the opengrow-board: https://www.opengrow.com/topic/33252-sannie-meets-motarebel/
(careful pls: OPG was hacked not long ago = forum is dead, but infos are still visible.)
I really donāt see how STS will make a plant herm more. I imagine breeders would have a much harder time selling fem seeds if it did
In general though itās nice when you want to be more sure of your harvest, donāt intend to play with males, or canāt get a clone of the strain you want. I know some strains these days are clone/fem only, ike twenty20 mendocinos trainwreck. Supposedly itās the most true to the original version of trainwreck available and they sell it fem only.
Cannabis females are homogameticā¦you need a male to make more males, but a female doesnt need male dna to make a bunch of femalesā¦thatās a hermiā¦all homogametic chromosomes of that organism make more homogametic organisms.
Absolutely! And these traits take generations to diminish. Iāve tested and seen that in my hobby breeding. And I now have and cherish regular photos. I have close to 80 fems from trades and throw them in on trades sometimes. My own fems I trade because I know the sexual history and they pass my standard. In my mind the sexual/hermie history from both sides matter. And a perfect history might take 10 generations of no hermits in the line, or more. Iāve seen the difference f2 can make in a hermie line. And breeding a hermie to a strain of sexual perfection will give decent feminized seeds. Iāve done that 3 times with success. I have 2 hermie free lines. My Thai and my Red GSC. Passed every test I know. Except destroying my breeding schedule 4 times when refusing to hermie under Colloidal Silver torture and light cycle torture.
Hi sativakid, always liked how you dont ignore meā¦hey you know anyone thatās got a perfected rhodelization method? Or a name drop i could talk to? Im not a fan of spraying but i wanna master reversing without spraying. I have sprayed, thatās how i know im not a fan of it. Thnx if you do
With rhodelization youād just let them flower extra long and collect pollen from the few podsā¦
If by perfected you mean somekind of torture to help them along, I know messing with the light schedule, high temps, light leaks and performing enhanced interrogation methods on roots will achieve that.
If I may, this all seem much more trouble than cs or sts and asking for troubleā¦
no, itās just keeping the silver in my fridge was bugging meā¦then keeping silver aroundā¦making silver, buying silver. Silver Nitrate is no jokeā¦likeā¦life altering no joke and im a bit of a nature boy. I thought rhodelization had a bit more involved idk why i thought that. cool, just let them go past expiration, got it, thnx mithri
Iāve stressed plants crazy changing light cycles, revegging, lights too close or far and especially 100 degrees farenheit. But these were just for testing. In my setup I have a mini easy to clean cell for breeding. I donāt handle pollen! So in reversing I need it to reverse on time. Or the seed mom will get old waiting for the pollen. That happened 4 times with my 2 hermie free strain. The colloidal silver never reversed the 2 strains. Most strains out there today hermie at a hint of stress. And two things common to both hermie free strains is they never show pre sex and snap into flower in like 5-7 days, horny buggers.
I read that these natural ways to produce feminized seeds were frowned upon. Something to do with hermie tendencies. Iām not 100% on the science but may be worth looking into a bit deeper before you invest time and space on a possibly flawed method.
Itās from breeding with fems. The sexual purity of a line can be tested by stress. In short Iāve played with this as Iām a hobby breeder. And know this to be true. Iāve dumped a few hundred seeds I got in trades and will dump another 300. Just because I have proven genetics of my own. Iām saving 20 strains that I might try someday but will only get to half in the next 5 years. I want nothing to do with the polluted genetics out there.
Will you be sharing pics or reporting on this plant? I put one outside right next to a Sugar Punch and a host of San seeds (Dead Whabbits, San Fune, and Berry Nice Plant), but it died. Yes, tragic, seeing that I only bought one pack and Sannie is no where to be seen. Luckily, out of a 5 pack he put an extra one, so I still have 5. It died because the wind broke its stem (what are the odds?)
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