From the fire rises the Phoenix ,Paps 2020 octopots

The cal is too high like you say , but let’s pretend it wasn’t
Instead of adding. 1/2 tsp and 2tsp to gallon and getting too high a PM b

Just add 1tsp of 20/20/20 and 4tsp of 15/0/0 to one liter tap and shake bottle then pour into Rez till you hit ppm you want ( using ppm meter ) , ratio will stay he same no mater how much you add only ec will change , simples : )

And keep what’s left of super concentrated mix ( 1.75/1/1 ) in bottle in dark and cool place for future use : )

I use all my powders this way

But yes too much cal will be in mix useing the calnit ie cal tox and cal to mag ratio will be off too ( 2:1 is ideal ratio of cal and mag )

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I will give this a try in a 5 gallon bucket and see what it looks like
Great idea
Thanks

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Does that make it a 80-20-20 then, or still a 35-20-20? I guess still a 35-20-20 hence the 1.75/1/1 ratio. This is where I get confused adding 4 times as much cal-nit to the Jack’s, or the 20-20-20.

Haha now I’m confused , this is why I don’t mix and just buy the ratio I need made already lol
I’ll have to think about that @SeymourGreen

Haha yes I’m having a senior moment lol just add 1/2 tsp each to get that ratio forget about the 4x
I’m losing the plot sorry paps lol

Your right @SeymourGreen that would make 80/20/20

I’m just sticking to premade ratios lol
Smoking and mixing ratios don’t mix haha

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Believe me, I feel ya lol! I would buy the pre-mixed ratios also, if I could find them. Wish they had that chem-pak here in the states.

So mixing 1/2 teaspoon of 20-20-20, should make it 10-10-10, and 1/2 teaspoon of the 15-0-0, makes it 7.5-0-0 correct? So 17.5 -10-10, or a 1.75/1/1 ratio correct?

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That make scene to me

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No , the whole box is 20/20/20
Half the box is 20/20/20
1 tsp is 20/20/20

Only ppm changes depending on how much is used

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I think that’s right lol

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Ok. So back to being confused lol

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So, 1/2 of a teaspoon of 20-20-20, is still 20-20-20 correct? I was always told to mix nutes full strength then dilute to proper ec. Would mixing only the 1/2 teaspoon result in the plant not getting the proper nutrition or whatever?

No how much you give just effects ppm

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For example maxi bloom calls for 5-10 grams per gallon. I was told if I only mix say 2.5 grams a gal, I would be running into deficiencies because the plant is not getting the full nutrient dose if that makes sense.

Well damn! I could’ve been saving a crap load on nutes because I always mix full strength then dilute to proper ec with cal/mag water. I’m in Coco, so I was told to dilute with the cal/mag water, so as not to throw off cal/mag cations.

20/20/20 v 10/10/10

20/20/20 = 60
10/10/10 = 30
So if you use 1 gram in gallon of 20/20/20 say for argument sake it’s 100 ppm
To reach the same 100 ppm with 10/10/10 you would have to use/add 2 grams to the gallon
It’s an indication of nutes strength

20/20/20 and 10/10/10 are both 1/1/1 type ratios , just the concentration in bottle is different

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You can add any amount of concentrated nutes to a 1 liter bottle of tap and calmag , and then add that to Rez to get the ppm you want , the ratio TYPE won’t change from box to bottle to Rez , only the ppm depending how much you add from box to bottle to rez
20/20/20 is a 1/1/1 type ratio , in box it’s a 1/1/1 type ratio , I fill a bottle with a wack of 20/20/20 powder unmeasured and fill with tap and shake , contents of bottle is still a 1/1/1 type ratio , I then add this to my Rez to reach a ppm off say 500 using my ppm meter , Rez is still a 1/1/1 type ratio , only the ppm changes thru out
But when it comes to mixing that’s when I get confused lol

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I did the very same thing last watering the mix had a ppm of well over 600 just by adding water it dropped to 525 in the range I wanted

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If I add 1 gram of 20/20/20 to a gallon annd then add 1 gram of 5/5/30
Iwould work out like this
20/20/20 add 5/5/30= 25/25/50
25 is lowest number so I devide that into all three to show me the TYPE of ratio it is I have made
Answer 1/1/2 type ( hopefully lol )

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If I add 1 gram of 20/20/20 to Rez and then TWO grams of 5 /5/30
First I would double the 5/5/30 = 10/10/60
Then I would add that to the 20/20/20 = 30/30/80
30 is the lowest number so I devide that into all three to find ratio type
Answer 1/1/ 2.6 ish TYPE

If I now add 10 grams of 20/20/20 and 20 grams of 5/5/30 into bottle and add tap water ,I know it’s still a 1/1/2.6 TYPE ( as two powders added is still at 1:2 ) and then I just add this to Rez till I get ppm I want

Any amount of 20/20/20 and 5/5/30 as long as it’s 1:2 will give me a ratio type of 1/1/2.6
And
Any amount of 20/20/20 and 5/5/30 as long as it’s 1:1 will give me a ratio type of 1/1/2 , I have now worked out
I work out loads of different ones and write them down so I know what to add to bottle befor adding water , and then I add this to my Rez till I reach the ppm I want , if any left over in bottle I can keep in cool dark place and write ratio type on it and it’s premade for future use also : )
Sound good ?

So I fill Rez with tap
I add calmag till ppm I want for tap plus calmag
Then I add contents of bottle to reach ppm total I want , if I want to work out what ppm food that’s is I take away calmag and tap total from Rez total and that gives me food total
Then I ph and feed : )
@SeymourGreen

The contents of the Rez might officially be
00000000000000000000.1/00000000000000000000.1/00000000000000000000.26
But it’s still a 1/1/2.6 type ratio ( that’s pushing k )
You want to push k more then add the two powders to 1:3 etc in bottle etc etc

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If my math is correct deciphering the 20-20-20…
If you mix this, let me know if the total PPM/ec is near the chart.

Per gallon…
2 grams of 20-20-20 jacks
1 gram of 15-0-0 calnit

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NPK Ratio calculation - matched PPM.

Here’s the single gram breakdowns by product
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Below is the 20-20-20 per gram - per Gallon breakdown.

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