Whoa. Seems gnarly!
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Has anyone made and used any of the FPE & FFE stuff? I was thinking of maybe doing a top drench on FPE once a week for veg I have some comfrey in the garden although its the end of spring so not prime time to pick it but thatās all i got and then maybe some FFE during Flower as a top drench once a week.
From what I understand though the FP & FF E only last about 90 days is that the same with FPJ & FFJ or do they last a lot longer?
This is cross posted to @CrunchBerries SIP post as well https://overgrow.com/t/crunchberries-probiotic-sip-thread/78727/53
Anyone use Seed Treatment Solution S.E.S.?
What about IMO in their pots?
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Here we go with the finish of the JWA adventure!
Complete recipe/tek are found in the post to which Iām replying.
Hereās the bucket before, and after, homogenizing 10 L of water with the drill/paint stirrer. I absolutely could not make it smooth just stirring by hand.
Now, if youāre comparing the recipe to what I just wrote, you might notice that Iām still 6 L short of full dilution. Thatās because I accounted for ingredient volume, but not the volume including aeration of the mixture. To execute this recipe next time, I would use a container with a minimum volume of 7 gallons.
As it stands, for each gallon I remove from the bucket, Iāll need to add an additional 1.6 L of filtered water, and then (for use on plants) create a .6-3% solution of that product. For the math nerds out there, yes, I could, at minimum dilution, make more than 200 gallons of JWA using what I made over the last 3 days, for approximately $20
Thanks for looking everybody; hope someone finds this useful!
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And now you have a lifetime supply!
Edit: I just looked at the dilution ratio. Itās 3-15L (0.8-4 gal) for 500L (132 gal). So, at most .03gal in 1 gal of water. Yeah, youāve got a lifetime supply.
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Yep! I edited the post above to remark on just how much JWA this would make. 
Luckily, Iāll be using this to produce every single household cleaner we use, going forward. No more money spent on that stuff for a while!
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I was editing while you were posting.
I think itās pretty cool that you actually made a āscaled downā recipe, even though it will still last forever. As you mentioned, it is pretty cheap to make. And seeing you do it might actually inspire me to do it soon.
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I do believe the FPJ/FFJ only get better with time. Please correct me if Iām wrong @lotus710
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This is awesome! you have inspired me for sure
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Thanks @middleman and @BeagleZ !
It really is simple, and versatile.
And lemme tell ya: cleaning up a soap āmessā is the easiest thing ever, just add water! 
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I was just reading the old handbook of KNF called Choās Global Natural Farming by Rohini Reddy, as Iām really wanting to start up. Iām literally still learning the basics and was looking for a good beginner handbook of the fundamentals.
So, as I was reading and trying to get to the meat of getting started (I figure I can get my labs and IMO-1 going now since it takes around 5 days in cooler/cold conditions, and then come back and re-read things I sort of skipped over since I have a basic understanding), I came onto this page which explains the concept of diversity, that I hadnāt heard anybody mention, and how to achieve it. Makes sense to me.
HOW TO UTILIZE IMOs
In order to be effective, IMOs should be used in a proper
manner.
1. Use IMOs continuously. Since IMOs are used to make soil
fertile and healthy, these should be collected and prepared
every year. In order to bring about continued results. IMOs
must be maintained in the soil.
2. Maintain IMO diversity. Avoid being choosy in collecting
microorganisms. Instead, microorganisms from different
environments should be collected and mixed. It is
recommended to collect IMOs from all four directions of
the field. We can also collect microbes from mountain,
summit, valley and trench.
3. Use the tough guy. The types of microorganisms present in
an area will vary from another, since each area has distinct
environmental conditions. For example, the sunny side of
the field will have different IMOs from the shaded side.
Altitude will also affect the variety of microorganisms at
every level. To include ātough guysā into the IMO
mixture, samples from the high mountains or
uncontaminated regions can also be collected.
I thought that concept made perfect sense. I just downloaded the PDF book tonight, and Iām new to KNF as far as acting on it, but this is the type of basic stuff I wanted. The book is only 75 pages I think and that info was on page 30-40āsh, so itās a quick read compared to some sources. I thought it was cool that by taking IMO from a more extreme environment in your area will help plants to survive more extreme conditions. And, with FPJ you can pick plants that are vigorous, fast growing, etc., and get some of those same characteristics in your crop.
I got some Organic milk, so Iām ready to get my LABS on. If anyone wants to compare it to any other source of KNF hereās the link. It downloads the book when you click the link. I think the book is older, but exactly what I wanted to get started. Iām sure much more has evolved since that book and more in depth info is out there.
Choās Global Natural Farming.
Iāll be on my way to being a KNF nerd very soon. Hopefully tomorrow! Sorry for the rambling, Iām baked pretty good ;-), and Iām also sort of excited to get it going. I have the perfect place to incorporate this with lots of the heavy hitter plants to work with. I would love so much to cut the cord on my pricey Organic ferts. peace
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Welcome! Thats a great info. Plenty of friendly knf nerds here lol.
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Any recommendations on a microscope. What magnification do I need?
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Id get the omax 40-2500x
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I also downloaded the book a few weeks agoā¦I have completed reading it. I donāt have a kitchen scale at the moment, so I canāt make any of the KNF preparations as yet. With us in South Africa heading towards winter, Iām looking forward to seeing which of the weeds in my garden still grow vigorously and Iām going to use those to make FPJ, for my winter grow. As for LABS, hopefully Iāll make that this week. Does it have to be organic milk straight from a cow? Or can I use any milk?
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You can use any milk I think. Organic is preferred as well as the freshest you can find.
But I think any milk should work better than no milk 
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For fpj just chop the material and mix with sugar till its fully covered. I have never weighed anything for knf!
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Does your JWA foam up or get suds when you mix it with water? Is it supposed to?
I tried making JWA and I was expecting it to foam up and have suds when I mixed it with water like soap nuts but it doesnāt seem to.
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Nope! There are different oils you can use, or additives that act as lathering agents, but canola based castile soap doesnāt really foam.
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Thanks! thought I had done something wrong even though it does the trick as a wetting agent for sure, I can see the action on the leaves, just thought I was missing something. Good to know
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Do you only use the leaves with dandelions or can u use the flowers and stems?
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