Charlie got watered last night, little Delta is still drying out for another day.
If you recall, Charlie is the only plant out of the LBF beans that demonstrated regular growth from the start. He/she also exhibits a bit more distance between nodes, which I’m liking the look of.
Leaf structure is also different here, as Charlie never made ultra broad leaves the way that alpha and Beta did. Curious to see what we end up with.
We’ll call this day 24 of veg, which means Charlie and the runt are moving slower than Alpha and Beta did, because they went in the flower tent right around 30 days.
My Hillbilly Fighter runt did the same thing, funky leaves and staggered nodes from seed. Eventually pulled out of it, and is now the plant that seems most resilient to my beginner coco failures. It is definitely the hungriest plant I have going right now too.
Thanks for that.
Somebody (@HolyAngel was this about your SSDD?) was talking about how they look for a specific weird growth pattern as an indicator of a desirable pheno.
Whoever it was tipped me back toward keeping Delta alive, and your feedback reinforces that decision.
It’s strange to me that we’re both seeing these mutations, but BadDawg/Dragboat says he had never encountered it… I know we’re a small sample, but what are the odds?
These are the Longbottom Fighter F2’s that Dragboat selected toward the Longbottom leaf phenos.
There is one baby MaMaHaze from DarthCultivar/Guitarzan in there, and three more that went in the soil about 3 days ago, waiting to show themselves
Alpha is our female. I love her but she’s a big baby about light intensity. Leaf tips are always curled down to some extent, but everything is deep green, and there’s no yellowing of the tips (which I would expect to see if the curling were a result of a soil that’s too hot).
We’ve all seen seedlings, so no pictures this morning, but we’ve got 4 MaMaHaze up above the ground. @Guitarzan 's repro has got some vigor! I sow direct (no paper towels, no pre soak, no H2O2) and these were showing themselves in 3-4 days from planting.
Well the extra finger was a known trait LBL trait, apparently a pretty dominant one since it wound up in my Hillbilly fighter that is a couple gens out from the LBL, and that LBF in the HF was Starfighter leaning. It is possible that the strange growth is just because they are older beans? Could just be the stress of them having to work extra hard to get going? Also, if stress related, it might be that we are not keeping the plants as happy as DBJ would be able to, I know sure am not haha.
I’ll acknowledge bean age as a possibility, and the extra leaf blade is clearly genetic, but in terms of stress, my other seed starts (the MaMaHaze) don’t have any issues at all.
The other evidence I would look at is that, for me, it isn’t just the initial growth that’s deformed. I got twisties initially, then normal growth, then the lateral branches started out with twisted deformed leaves, and then started making normal leaves. It’s been happening with everyone except Charlie.
I’m not put off in any way, but I am curious! I want to know!!! But I’ll settle for having beautiful plants.
what are you guys feeding with exactly? with my high gypsum and 1/3/3 NPK veg feeds i occasionally see twisty and/or deformed growth on a lot of different plants that would not do that at all under a more normal veg feed.
I’m in BAS 3.0 mix with LABS and water only. Occasional addition of fermented plant juice and fermented fruit juice.
In veg I cut the soil with horticultural coco because it’s pretty hot on its own
Edit: seeds are started in straight coco, nothing but leaf mold in their water
I am currently feeding Megacrop in coco and perlite.
But! I saw the mutanty leaves in early, early veg, and I did start the seeds in an organic seed starting mix. The seed mix seemed pretty heavy in hindsight, and all the seedlings in it got a slow start. The weird growth stopped happening pretty early, probably by the 4th or 5th node. I feel like they got progressively more normal, but I might just be high. Also, as I said before, it was staggered nodes from the start. I will try to remember to look for pics. If I have them, they’re in my grow log.
The fact that mine cleared up is the most obvious difference.
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