At my local hydro shop 
1$ each, but not every shop carry them, I had to call a few places
Edit: they’re called 5.5" Kordlok Square pots. Top notch 
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Hey @Mithridate, whats the name of the place? I was about to get 8x9.75’’ to eventually SoG my 2x4 on indoorgrowing canada but they’re like 5$ each, i’m assuming your place must be a lot cheaper.
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Pm sent
10 lettres
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The leaves on those oranges(I think) almost don’t even look like marijuana leaves lol. So unique 
I’ll pop a seat up here 
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Yeahhh
So this weekend I’ll be mixing some sts!
Almost everything is ready to go, I got multiple healthy cuts(now teens) of all except the 4 sour strawberry. May the headaches begin ! 
I also took 5-9 extra cuts from both oranges and both lifesavers just in case. I’ll very likely be offering cuts to interested Canadians, not an open offer, but if you receive an out of the blue pm
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Sts ready.
I’ll take inventory and come up with an official list of matings.
Sour strawberry is taking forever to grow to a decent size, the 4 moms are revegs from tiiiny cuts so it’s not that much of a surprise. I may open pollinate them outdoors, 2 of each keeper in a patch, one reversed one as a mom to see where I’m at. S1s, I’ll make on a future run…
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After finally escaping the labyrinth of my mind, I came up with a plan. Every female side of a cross will be its own 2’ plant.
Reversed orange1 on
Orange1
Orange10
Skunk A
reversed orange10 on
Orange10
Orange1
Skunk A
reversed Skunk A on
Skunk A
Orange10
Orange1
Lifesaver melon
reversed lifesaver lemon on
Lifesaver Lemon
Lifesaver melon
reversed Lifesaver melon on
Lifesaver melon
Lifesaver Lemon
Skunk A
reversed sour strawberry 12 on
Sour strawberry 17
reversed sour strawberry 17 on
Sour strawberry 12
Got a headache yet? Lol
With those done, I still haven’t touched the 9 lsl and 9 lsm. I have to make extra pollen with some of the soon to be ready clones to complete a long overdue trade. The remaining cuts, I’ll either make some s1 if possible or send a couple if someone is crazy enough to want to grow some untested crap(laughing) I’m growing.
Now that’s out of the way, I flipped the lights on all of the above mentioned plants and will spray to be reversed cuts later tonight(very unlikely) or tomorrow
(I swear procrastination will bend me over good one day 
)
Now where’s my bong…
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I really think you’re to blame for the state of my veg tent right now because this thread emboldened me to start a bunch of seeds to cram plants in there. I’ve been topping plants and turning them into bushes for so long I didn’t realize the value of a small skinny lady squeezed into the tent to find out what she’s like.
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Haha well thank you 
To me this is the most efficient way to hunt through multiple packs, breed and test my own crosses.
If I can change the way even one grower sees his modest space and help him get to his goals faster then my job is done.
If I really cram them in there, pots touching each other, I try to keep the plants within the pot area. On occasion I find plants that wants to grow extra long limbs and will top branches, leaving 2 good nodes on each branch, and keep main cola intact.
If I veg too long, I’ll bend every top to the left, first row close to the wall I’ll bend forward.
That’s all my secrets 
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Honestly, mission accomplished. This was one of the first grow journals I checked out when I first got on here, and it blew my mind. I started just sprouting a whole bunch of seeds to properly use my space. I ended up needing to put a whiteboard in my garden to keep track of things.
And thank you for the pointers, I appreciate that! They’re simple tips, but super helpful.
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Alright so I was trying to figure out what to do with the sour strawberry. I could self each of the 4 cuts… but then 2 of them I only have a single example…
Then thought fems… same deal…
Finally, I remembered I was supposed to make a second round of f3s after a vicious selection process. 4 females and 3 males, all keepers*, open pollinated for a strawberry fest. How does that sound
*keepers: not a one in a million plants, more like the ones to beat in my staple, they good
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Alright
The 4f/3m sour strawberry I’ll run outdoors for seeds.
Orange1, orange10 and skunk A are starting to drop pollen, so the crosses will happen soon.
The lifesavers I flipped as cuts dont look like they’ll produce pollen. New moms will be ready for outdoors come June…
Skunk A s1
Lifesaver Lemon s1
Lifesaver Lemon x lifesaver melon
Lifesaver melon s1
And Lifesaver melon x skunk A
will all be done outdoors
Orange skunk, skunk Orange and skoranguk indoors 
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So this is the end of this thread.
Let’s recap.
4x2x5 tent, split in half by a shelf.
64 plants in 5" pots capacity
2x 7 tubes t5
4" fan and filter combo
4x Clip fans
Goal: burn through seeds, find keepers
(Can also be used for production, easier with clones but perfectly doable from seed)
Pros:
highly efficient use of space, quick turn around. Cons:
demanding, requires some organizational skills.
Additional comment:
If you can keep the pace, this will jumpstart your keeper library. No joke. 2 rounds and I’m at 15 plants worthy of further testing. (I’m guesstimating 3 real keepers, possibly 5)
This type of growing is not for everyone. If you attempt this, you will learn a lot about yourself and who you are, along with acquiring tons of knowledge about plants.
Tips and tricks:
It’s all logical and straight forward, really…
Knowledge as a weapon.
The more you know about what you are germinating, the less time you waste. Educate yourself on phenos to look for, where do they stem from? (Often a throwback to the grandparents)
The human brain is a pattern recognition supermachine.
Patterns. Patterns everywhere, lol.
May it be a narrow ph range in which they thrive, nutrient sensitivity, vigor, smell, aggressive root growth, hard to clone etc. Every common line has its own identifiable trait.
Don’t be scared to cull plants.
By 2 weeks old, I usually would have culled undesirables. By 3 weeks old, it’s flip time.
4 weeks and I culled more.
Don’t be scared to start to many seeds.
Too many, lol.
Soil:
I don’t ammend my soil and feed on the weaker side ,because I recycle my soil and also because of the quick turn around. (Lots of culls)
Final comments:
I’m keeping this thread open to answer any questions that may arise if anybody ever tries this thing.
I’m moving away from this style, having found a few soon to be confirmed keepers. Coming from a hydro trees background, this was, um, formative.
Good luck, stay motivated 
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Excellent thread @Mithridate 
I thoroughly enjoyed it and learned a bunch, some great stuff brother. Went through the thread again and dropped more hearts where they were due, lol, now I want to drop a shit ton of seeds haha
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awesome thread @Mithridate , i also learned a lot from this. i’d like to ask some questions as a newer grower who is looking to maximize my space in a similar style to this grow.
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how did you end up stabilizing your shelf in the end to keep it from bowing? it looked like you had some sort of clamp system but i wasn’t sure as there weren’t any clear pictures of it.
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what was your watering schedule like for this setup? i assume manual watering with a sprayer, but how often? it seemed like you definitely had some missed waterings, but if watering had been optimal, what would you estimate?
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what grow style are you moving to now that you’ve found some potential keepers?
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what was your process for taking and rooting your clones? i don’t think i saw that mentioned in your thread.
thanks for all of your time and input!
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I took a hook board I had laying around and screwed it on the front underside of the shelf. It looked funny but it did the job pretty good 
All manual. I filled 1gallon water bottles in the sink. Watering schedule will depend on many factors. (temp, rh, soil porosity, size of plant, volume of soil etc)
For the sake of relativity, let’s use my numbers.
Temp:25-26 and RH:60%
Soil volume. 5" pots(flower, moms), 4"pots(males), 3" pots (start to 6" tall)
Porosity: medium
Under these conditions 5" pots would need water every 2 to 3 days.
4" pots every 2 days and 3" pots daily, 2 days being risky with anything with more than 4 sets of true leaves.
Food was made custom for each stages of growth. If you can setup a tote or garbage can in the room, simply mix a solution strong enough for the bigger plants and dilute as you water the smaller and smaller plants.
Giant outdoor trees for now
When I come back inside I’ll probably go with coco bushes (9/light, 5x5 or 6x6 footprint)
I’m also working very hard on some crazy setup on the side. Something that, if it works as intended, will destroy gpw forever. (evil laugh)
The ultimate goal is 10gpw, but with 6 I’d consider it a success 
Haha. My cloning tech is the most basic thing. I don’t feed moms any different before taking cuts, no tricks, nothing.
I used dual Tupperwares, one as a tray, the other as a dome. And whatever was on sale or I had on hand, jiffy, rockwool, dirt cubes, plugs, perlite, anything goes. Wet it and forget it for a week.
I do use rooting powder.
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Sour strawberry#1 mom
The one that almost died…
Heading outdoors with her siblings next week.
Melon lifesaver
Lemon lifesaver
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Outdoor sour strawberry!
Females, in 10gal pots.
From the bottom we have
#17. extra frosty strawberry kush
#16. Fluffier, much branchier pheno (hash superstar ) coming out of a reveg…
#1. somewhat squatter, strawberry queen
#12. like 17, with more sourness
Males, in 2.5gal pots.
#11. Bottom right, #17 twin.
#14. Bottom left, similar to #16.
#20. Apex, stretchy, bushy, smaller leaves, strawberry king.
This has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. Didn’t know where to post, and I was to excited not to 
Once they get going, they’ll get their own thread.
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You’ve done such a good job overgrowing your tent that you turned it into a forest!
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