Landrace Expansion & Trade

I think I have some Bodhi AG I could toss your way.

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That would be perfect, how many Transekis did you want?

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I got those same Transeki, so no need to trade on those. Just the Lesotho I have from a different source.

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How many you need for a good sampling?

Here’s a little update on the Triple Durban from @lefthandseeds.
Dropped on 5/1, growing strong with great structure and even side branching. Been holding them back from the jungle until I get a few nodes on the tops. Leafs are dark mint green,

Next two are the vintage 70’s mystery seeds looking very much alike leaning Indica

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Those Durbans are looking great so far. Love the short and branchy structure. I’m really interested to see what the stretch is like and what the final bud density turns out to be like.

I think 10-15 is fine to trade for me. I’ll send you however many you want to send me. I think I have probably 50 or so.

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I would be interested in that when you do something. I wish I could get something close to what I smoked on Oahu in ‘77.

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It’s both Transekis and Lesotho crossed to Maui Wowie. The seeds got mixed together. I got the Transekis and Lesotho for breeding stock. By themselves, they are not that great, VERY low yielders for such a long long flower cycle. The Maui Wowie should fix that, though untested.

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I have tried grow bags. Kinda like felt. ( or it is felt) Best container plants i ever grew were in these. SO much better than plastic. Best root system. Roots were in ALL portions of the soil. Problem is, i cant find any smaller than 5 gallon, so I’ll have to wait to get them in there so i can control size. Then there is the transplant factor. Hard to get them out of the grow bags, with the roots clinging to the sides and bottom. Any tricks? I put scissors into the bag so i could pull the bag away from the soil. I did manage.

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I’ve found running a large dull knife (10 ~ 12") carefully around the inside wall of the bag helps, but if you have been bottom feeding – you are shit out of luck

I’m thinking that if you want to transplant, intermediate containers should be plastic then the final is a grow bag might be the easiest way.

Perhaps throwing a plastic separator in the bottom (to keep the roots out of the fabric) plus ‘the knife trick’ might be a workable solution too.

Cheers
G

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They make felt bags with sides that open for transplanting ease. I think they have velcro to close it. I haven’t tried one yet. I use plastic until the final home so I don’t have to try. It ain’t easy.

Never used grow bags really. I forgot people use those. They’re plastic for sure.

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Good idea with the dull knife. I don’t recall what I used last year, but I did run something around the inside of the pot. They had been in one spot so long that the roots grew into the ground as well. They were on the second year of use, but I suppose you could actually plant these things if you wanted to. The Roots would go right through the wall of the pot on all sides. It’s actually a good option, say if a plant gets too large that you planned on growing at home, and you need to get it the hell out of there and plant it. I don’t know if this would occur the first year. And like I said mine were just left out. They are always partially wet.*

I had some bone meal on the floor of the container from transplant time. Is that what you mean?

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Felt bags with sides that open? That would be super sweet! Where do they sell those? I haven’t seen anything like that. Do they have sturdy handles on them? The ones I use have put up with two years of me carrying them all over the place. Still going. No broken handles. Good color… but no velcro sides.

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I’ve been using felt bags for several years now, and I Iove them. Their huge benefit is that they do away with root bound plants. The root tip grows through the bag, and is killed by the exposure to light and air. This cause the root to explode with root hairs. In a plastic pot, the root hits the wall and starts circling, so you end up with a few think roots with very little root hairs. That’s my definition of root bound.

I’ve found the easiest way to get a plant out of them is to let them dry out a little, and run a knife around the edge. Then I push up from the bottom of the pot, and work the bag down. The largest bag I’ve done that with is a 2 gal.

I start in cups, and move to 1 gal bags. I have some 5 gal, but I find I don’t use them a lot. I’ve been flowering in 2 gal, but I’m gonna buy me some 3 gal next time. I think they’d be perfect for my 4x4 tent.

And yeah, if you set them on the ground, or set them so the bags are touching, they’ll grow through the bag and keep right on going. I shake the dirt out of them, then soak them in plain water with a little dish soap, and then run them through the quick wash cycle on the washing machine, with a tsp of bleach. I pull them out, let them air dry, fold them up, and stick them on a shelf.

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You and the others must have quite a bit more experience than I do growing in containers. I had to bump my Malawi and Panama up to 15 gallon Last Summer. I probably could have gotten away with 10 gallon, but definitely not five. I’m working towards that goal. Certainly would be lighter. I love these bags. The plants were anywhere from 4 and 1/2 to 6 ft tall, and we’re planting in mid-may and Harvest them in mid September, to give you an idea of the plants size. You probably had plants that big in your little bags huh?

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They got it right on the head, slothing off the thick roots greats a angle hair root system, there’s is more surface area on millions of hair roots than on hundreds of rope roots. I grew a 5’ Thai in a 3 gallon garden pot without shaving roots and it was no where near root bound in 84 days. You can do it with pots and cups by squeezing them bottom up after run off stops making air pockets inside the sides of the pots.

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When in the felt pots if you just need a month or so on your plant, instead of trying to re-pot it, you can place the pot on top of a good soil source or larger pot and just let the roots go through the felt and into the new dirt. It works good.

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@Upstate. For me, the container size is about limiting the plant size. In my 4x4, the 2 gal pots usually produce a plant about 31/2 - 4ft tall plant, which is a little small. That’s why I’m thinking 3 gal is optimal. They should produce a 5-6ft plant which would max that tent. The one time I’d use my 5 gal bags in the tent was if I was gonna do a SCROG.

@Instg8ter. That’s really why I love those bags. You pull the plant out and it’s like a puffball of roots. My sister-in-law is gonna show me how to use this sewing machine,y mom gave me, and I’m gonna make some custom sized bags. Some the size of Dixie cups to start seeds, and various sizes for keeping bonsai moms/dads.

@GMan. That is a great idea man, I never though about stacking them to increase pot size. A 2 gal bag will fit right into the 5 gal. Another cool little thing about these are that when they dry out, it’s easy to pull the side of the bag away from the root ball. Since mycorrhizae need to be touching the roots to be most effective, I sprinkle some between the bag and the roots before I water.

They’re easy to move around, and easy to store. I love 'em.

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What a great idea! I could plant them straight into the ground that way in their starter cups! I know peat pots are supposed to be similar, but they don’t make them quite big enough, and they always seem to fall apart on me. The Roots have a tougher time getting through the walls of that in my experience as well. I’m definitely copying that idea Guitarzan. I should say my wife will be copying that idea lol. What will you use for fabric, and where will you get it? Great idea, I say again… I often go back and check on my plants shortly after I put them in the ground, in case anything has dug at them. If they get dug up in these containers, the plants should still be fine. Just simply replant them

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The reason I up pot is due to the plants looking unhappy. They kind of hang down with their leaves, just sort of looking depressed. I always thought it was from the taproot bottoming out in a plastic container ( the smallest fabric pots i can find locally are 3 gallon i think. I’ll have to check) as it doesn’t happen in fabric. That could also be related to pot size though so Ive never been sure. The roots are definately going around and around and around the bottom of the cup by this point. I use rainwater with a capful of Cal Mag / two and a half gallons… I guess the best thing to do would be to get a picture. Perhaps they just need food… Another issue is the pots needed watering too often in 10 gallon. Keep in mind, if i drenched them in the morning and it was cloudy all day, i had to move a heavy pot in later, so i used less water. I’ll try 5 gallon this yr. I’ve gained experience and maybe i can do it now.

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Hey @Upstate. Man, I’m gonna make mine out of landscape fabric. I can’t take credit for the idea though. I got it from a guy who made small bags to bonsai his moms in. With a smaller bag like that, you don’t have to cut back the roots periodically like you do with plastic pots.

So when you talk about weight, you’re talking about moving plants out in the morning, and back in at night? I don’t have the climate pressure you do up there. Down here, I move plants out once, and in once.

You know, @Gman’s idea might give you a boost. During the early season, you can move then in and out in the 3gal bags. When they’re ready to go out full time, fill up your 5 gal, and sit your 3gal right on top of it. Or wait until flowering to stack them, and fill your 5gal with a flower bosster soil mix.

The roots will grow straight through the 3gal into the 5gal. That wouldn’t help much in the late season when you’re moving in and out again, as you’d still be lugging around an 8gal bag. You just need a nice wheelchair ramp and a dolly. :slight_smile:

I have to say, the more I think about it the more I like this bag stacking idea. Hell, you could create bag stacks that contain different soil mixes for veg, early/late flowering. Just think, you’d never have to up pot again, just stack the bag on top of whatever larger sized bag you wanted. :laughing:

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