Z - tribute has had purple stalk and petioles since they sprouted, some more than others. Hopefully will have some Big Sur Holly Weed to go with the second round of Mexicans. Going to chuck my Kona to the Rasta Jamaican on a few lowers because it just sound right.
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Cannot say that the purple is what gives it any flavor. The purple color is from anthocyanins. Anthocyanins are water-soluble pigments vary with pH, and they may appear red, purple, blue or black. Hence the variable colors in these strains. Some say that anthocyanins are a flavinoid, but online they also say that anthocyanins have no flavor??? Flavorless flavinoids? Makes no sense to me, but I am not a chemist.
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All the African Black Magic that I saw was back in the very late 1970s and early 1980s. A black guy I knew (no pun intended) grew some as ‘home grown’ in Laurel Canyon in LA/SoCal. Definitely very very dark purple. He just called it “African”. It was not like some blackish Indian Ganja or late fat Thai sticks that were black from fermentation or hash oil added. The weed was very dark purple. Much debate as to its origin, for sure. Nigeria? Congo? Tanzania? We may never know. That stuff appeared in California in the late 1970s and it was the most expensive weed around. It blew the doors off of the local sinsemilla. That was one hit weed.
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Interesting. If its dark purple, that narrows the search down to high elevation areas. Congo seems to be the most likely source if Pygmies are associated with it. Did you ever here that Pygmies grew it? So you think this is the same as Black Magic strain? You’d think so. Right? Purple is not a common color in African pot…
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That African black magic may actually be extinct. The forest associated with the original pygmy tribes were it was supposed to be growing were cut down quite awhile back. There is a black Congolese that maybe related though.
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There are still large sections of Virgin Forest where the pygmies live. It is shrinking, but not gone. The ITuri Forest west of Lake Albert in the headwaters of the ubangi Congo is the largest pygmy region still intact. This is where the Black magic strain is rumored to come from in my reading. Others may think a different location is more likely. Hard to say where black Congo/ black magic came from originally, but I think they are the same strain.
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Has anyone preserved thai stick? Would love to see it around
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The Freakers have 2 in the vault waiting to run.
Cheers
G
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Chocolate Thai Drawoh F3 is finishing seed run now. Technically there is no specific strain that you could call Thai Stick as that was more the way it was harvested and stored …the closest we have found to a Landrace with a name is the Drawoh, it’s sometimes called highland Thai also. Ask someone in Thailand and they say “no such things there.” Fact is a lot of Thai weed comes from Cambodia and Laos.
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Drawohs chocolate Thai , is it good?
@lilmanbigplan
I imagine there are some other thaistick type around, but needs lot of asiking and research. I know i know… i also dont like to ask people for their gems, But thats what is probably needed.
Wich Vietnemese did you smoke? you listed it as favorite.
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Favorite for me is the Full Moon from Nirvana, don’t recognize the Chocolate as the Thai stick we used to get early 80’s
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A grower in Thailand is suggesting that immigrants from Hainan, China brought their genetics with them when they migrated to Thailand , and that this is where the Thai stick came from. A thai, chinese hybrid. Like you said, many varieties were called Thai stick for marketing, but there was only one that was the real deal…could it have been a hybrid?
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How was Thai made
If it was newly introduced , then it would show in 50 Percent shortflowering Phenos, right.
the comonly shared “Vietblack” wich is actually a Killer Viet x Chinese Hemp and had ALOT weak hemp phenos in F1. Weak like hay, they said… Cause chinese Hemp is mostly weak probably.
I saw a Pic, and it looked fat and hempy.
But one of 10 Plants was longflowering fullpower weed in the F1.
Im havent seen that many people growing old Thai, so i cant say if such a Hemp offspring shows.
I think, where a Strain CAME from once, is after probably 100 Generations grown in new enviroment nomore very important. You could have brought in Afgahni to thailand probably ended up with same Result. Namely trippy uplifting Thai. Just a hyphothese. But i tend to beleve it, since Scientysts say, the mostliked Landraces are inbreed.
I have no clear info how often immigrants STILL brought in Hemp in the 70s…
So, if we knew it was way before the 70s, that would speak alot for the power of enviromental influence, wich might alone bring up gems (plus mans selection)
I have no problem with the thought hemp x Thai equals fullpower weed. I sometimes hear of the introduction of Hemp, but its nothing more than just someone telling it happend. No numbers, closer verifycation. So i dont pursue it that much.
I could also imagine that people would grown hemp rather separate. I just cant easily imagine that Thai Hemp would yeald the most psychoactive Weed on Earth…
I can tho, but not easily.
Like said the commonly shared vietblack suffered ALOT from the hemp-outcross.
Ok you could argument that it was already outcrossed before that to hemp, so one time to much, yes, so i cant also draw conclusions from my Vietblack Observation.
The original source of that particullar Vietblack outcrossed it to chinese only so that people buy it… He lost the “pure” vietblack, and was not happy about it.
Then we can go over to the last idea, that Hemp made only a small porting in these killer Breeds. Like an 4th, or an 8th of it… So we couldnt spot the hemp Phenos that well.
Yes thats possible… Who knows.
I personally try to find out truth about how Thaistic and Vietblack was made.
So, youre right in my Field of research.
The most evidence is like said, what Biologists say, that inbreeding is what made any Landrace, overally said.
2nd is that i asked always people how Landraces were made, and i heard that Vietnamese People sometimes extra had pollination Hills. Where they made Seeds. Also i heard it was comparable to wine regions today. Weed everywhere, armthick buds (that was in thailand).
I took from it that they seemed advanced to a degree…
Also i heard people selected Marocan Landrace. Thats another Region , but i heard it over and over again.
So, i follow mostly what i have heard.
I also heard there was Hempintroduction in Thai, Vietnam, yes. But who knows if this played a rule.
I give the idea that selection played a rule more Weight, cuase i heard it over and over agian from many sources.
It same what biologists say.
That Landraces need far introduction is possible, but the weight is little less acording what i heard.
So , its possible, but , just cant say anything more than that.
Thats just what i got,
I personally think its also enviroment that allows for certain Traits, like per example trippyness.
There is just no trippy afghani. There is a pretty adrenaline type African, there is a sedating afghani, there is a magic thai, there is exotic columbian, …No?
So, that kind of speaks for Enviromet as a necessarity.
One of the most psychedelic and strongest Weed came from SE Asia, the only region that even named its Weed Tripweed (Sumatran tripping). Can 4 percent Thc Hemp be considerably the makeup? Its an interesting Theory,
It could also be that the long-term Journey from Chinese to Thailand, this whole Process over CENTURIES was needed. That sounds interesting too. I cant give the Anwser, i cant debunk it, but i tend to think a recent 50 percent outcross of Hemp to Thai is rather not what i think about. I mean regarding the Trippy Thaistick .
A not so recent introduction( hence acclimatisating, hence Thai-izing the Hemp) i can put in the possible sector. Just possible. But never found any evidence its the makeup of Thaistick. Same with small percentages 1/4, 1/8.
And for the centurylong adaptation-evolution thingy as a Necessarity for trippy Thai, i think even harder to find evidence.
long Anwser, haha
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Check out Congo Seed Project on Instagram for seeds straight from Congo (and some of the most unusual and beautiful seeds I’ve seen). They’re the only unworked Congo seeds that I’m aware of available and talking with Benni about a psychedelic experience i had with African 25 years ago, he mentioned having a similar experience with a family’s herb in Congo. Different source than his, but people are reporting very special stuff in them.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBne2aPhgdE/?igshid=1cpvha3z7wixt
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I’m not sure that the genetics brought from Hainan were hemp genetics. Hainan is an island off the coast of Vietnam. Not sure what genetics they had there. The migration into China occurred during the 1800’s and ended around 1920. That Macau from @Enjoi802 is floating around and could give us an idea of what the people of Hainan brought with them when they migrated to Thailand.
The extreme potency of Thai stick may have come about from a backcross of Thai genetics, to some of the original genetics that made them in the first place. Hard to say.
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Thanks for the link! I’ve already bought 50 of them… They are the source for some of the landrace team Congo seeds, as far as I know. @V4vendetta will be growing some for The Freaker’s shortly. I sent him the seeds a couple weeks ago. They are definitely on the Wilder side, and there are both black and red phenotypes to be found. This could be the source of the mysterious Congo black, AKA black magic. The high is supposed to be very special
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Also for those looking for Thai genetics, I stumbled across this seed collective that looks to have the best landraces from Thailand that I’ve seen. They say the Thai sticks were made from a strain known as “Squirrel Tail” that they have 3 varieties of: https://www.zomiacannabisco.com/shop
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Holy link Batman! Thats awesome. I’ll be broke by this weekend. Thanks for sharing…my paycheck lol😁
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Ha ha, I know the feeling!
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I contacted him a second ago. He says he is unfortunately out of the trippy beans. He said he will go back there at some point.
Im on the hunt for strains with psychedelic properties again. If anyone knows of some, please let me know.
I used to have a strain from bag seed that would have me in a low/mid level 3 mushroom trip for a few hours.
Almost 0 body high. Or at least I wasnt thinking about the body feel 
It also had some pink or purple in it. Just a leaf or two. The rest was a dark green.
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