Landrace strains - general thread

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#122

I am with you there, bro. You would like the Lebanese Red then. Not overwhelming, but good. More like a sativa than an inidca (even though it is touted as an indica). Like Oaxacan, you can control the high better by the number of hits. Not one hit and you are crawling out of your skin with the heebie jeebies.

When I was growing in Southern Oregon I grew landrace and heirloom strains. Mostly Mexicans. My ex’s friends complained that they ‘tasted like Mexican’. I took that as a compliment, and that irritated them, as it was meant to be a slam. They wanted one hit couchlock weed. OG Kush. So did my ex. I mush prefer sativas. I also harvest earlier which tends to have a more cerebral high to it than later harvested weed. Clear trichomes, not amber.

I cut my MJ teeth with sativas though. That was all we had in NorCal in the early to mid 1970s. Thai, Mexican, and Colombian mostly. It was great. $20 to $40 a lid. Some were potent as all fuck. Many blogs claim that the weed today is stronger, but I would refute that and say that the weed today is more indica, and thus more couchlock. But stronger today than Kerala, Thai, Durban and Colombian? No way Jose.

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#123

Big sur, i think youve trippled your karma from last few posts what you have written and shared your opinions, feer! :slight_smile: thank you for it

With your xp, what about zamal weed from madagascar?

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#124

And the panama was also very interesting, more dreamy high due to cbg content, also interesting. Santa maria, i remember it was huge dreamy high among skunks, but who knows if i smoke it everyday after week it will be probably same. Pause between smoking makes more than years of searching for ideal seed imo

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#125

The funny thing is, the Oaxaca79SKULL from my friend Vermontman i’ve grown “probably” has some lebanese ancestors. He was in Amsterdam in the end of the 80’s and smoked there some lebanes hash which reminds him to his Oaxaca strain. So it could be that there is some lebanese inside, but hard to say without a DNA test. It has a nice resin production, but the resin profile is VERY fine, like powder. It smells very piney, a bit berry and also had a background smell which reminds me of hazelnuts in a hazelnut chocolate. :slight_smile:

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#126

I recently bought some Afghan Kush, I also have seeds of swazi hybrids I made a few years ago.

#127

That is an excellent point, and I agree wholeheartedly.
Unfortunately, not only blogs attempt to assert the bogus “fact” that today’s weed is so very much stronger than that of the '60s and '70 (and '80s ).
Many mainstream sources make this same erroneous assertion as well.

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#128

You are comparing landraces to modern crosses

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#129

Maybe the overall quality is better now because so much is grown indoors and the average thc content is higher, we have a bit more knowledge on how to grow then back in the 60’s and 70’s…

not saying there wasn’t high thc cannabis back then just less knowledged farmers, not separating male from females etc, when pollinated plants put much of their energy into seed production vs thc and cannabinoids, less selective breeding and cloning and more open field random pollonisation…

I’m too young to know but from listening to my dad who is 68 the colombian gold and the panama and the thai imported back then was fing good!

#131

Oddly a few people that I have been in contact with lately that are working with Zamal, but I have zero experience with it. I know a lot about and have grown western hemisphere landraces, some SE Asian and Indian strains, lots of California heirlooms, South African and African Black (magic) and Lebanese. I have also grown a lot of newer strains, but nothing from Madagascar.

#132

I was right there with ya brother and I concur. First weed I smoked in CA in 79 was to this day some of the strongest I have ever smoked. I was a Bay area transplant from Washington DC, and we had the local VA Skunk, killer Colombians, Panama’s, and Thai, but that local grown CA weed at that time was next level.

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#133

Several reasons for pot being claimed as better now than ‘then’. One being the seed pushers and breeders making such claims want to sell you crossed seeds. I have had this argument for years now, that my landraces are not as good as the newer Amsterdam crosses. That argument goes back as long ago as 1978 or so with my oldest brother and his breeding partner in Pacific Valley (at the south end of Big Sur). I am of the Big Sur Holy Weed philosophy that you grow landraces as is, and they can be improved simply by growing sinsemilia, or growing indoors under lights. And more important, growing indoors or in a GH with night heat when finishing. Night heat (or warmth) has been shown to increase potency rather dramatically, and why indoor typically is more potent that out. Also as I said before, lots of people like indica and couchlock, rather than sativa and brain freeze. I have grown Durban that is like 20%, but the THCv in there competes with the THC receptors and you do not THINK that you are as high as you really are, so you smoke more… and then WHAM! The THCv lasts for only about 20 minutes and then fades. But it is a different high than indica.

THE most potent weed I have ever smoked was a sativa, a South Indian Ganja. I got a few oz’s of that stuff from my GF from Hawaii at that time that was mad at me for giving her a J of the Guerrero that I had a half pound of. She smoked the J and froze up for 2 hours and was unable to go anywhere. So she got me the ganja as ‘revenge’. But I was immune to that for some reason, and others froze up on it but I did not. That Guerrero was the second most potent weed I have ever smoked, to date. Anyway, they were both bought back in 1975. In “general” a lot of weed back then was low quality bricked, from Mexico and Colombia. But there was better to be had, mostly loose tops from Colombia/Panama and Mexico, sticky ganja, hashish, and SE Asian Cambodian Red, and the skinny Thai sticks. The Thai sticks were covered in trichomes, and they glistened. These were not the later fat sticks that were dipped in hash oil and made me pass out, but the zippy trippy Thai that made you feel really really good. It was like Durban Poison. Good Cambodian Red was also potent as all fuk. But now anything red from SE Asia is called Cambodian and a lot of it is bunk. Yeh had to shop around for the good weed in the 70s, but it was out there.

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#134

I supplied seeds in the later 70s to several growers in Carmel Valley, Big Sur and Prunedale. They knew I collected seeds and that I supplied them to friends. Seeds were in every bag of weed then, so no big thing. Anyway, one grower gave me an oz or two as a ‘thank you’ for seeds, and that stuff was amazing. Grown outdoors, sinsemilia, he was a gardener from Mexico working on a large fancy estate. I think it was from seeds from a Colombian Black strain (AKA, wacky weed) or Colombian green (what Franco called Limon Verde). He had learned how to grow sinsemilia in Mexico (simple, pull all the males). Anyway, I got people stoned off their gourds with pinners of that. Even the band Crazy Horse at the Old Sash Mill in Santa Cruz. My brother and I got them so fuked up one night that they had to stop playing. That was in '78 or '79. The bud from Big Sur then was amazing too. Cheap, $60 an oz. Really good Mexican sinsemilia was coming in then as well for $50 an oz. Out with the old seeded brick, and in with the new loose top quality low or no seed bud. Until High Times posted the prices that we paid for weed in California, and then the prices went through the roof! Preference also shifted to coke and booze then as well. And the weed days declined. Or shifted to growing in Mendocino and Humboldt Counties. Then the indica breeding went into high gear too. That paradigm is now ending as well, now that weed will be legal to sell in California about 70 days from now.

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#135

Few friends a bit older claim to have smoked that and both claim it was the strongest they ever smoked. Not something I would want myself, but does it even exist anymore?

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#136

Actually it does. Both Colombian Black and Panama Reds popped up here this summer as clones at a dispensary for sale. I just missed buying them. The laws changed here in Oregon this year, and rather than unlimited clones allowed for medical card holders, they are limiting them to 12 per card now. So some large strain hoards had to be culled, and they hit the dispensaries. Next year the OLCC is tightening up on all the genetics, and only bar coded stock will be allowed to be bought, held and sold by license holders, meaning dispensaries and growers. To this point they have allowed new growers to source plants from any place in the state w/o bar codes for the first 3 months of being granted a license. Oregon the stupid… as of 2018 no new genetics will be allowed into the Oregon inventory system. For us home and 2 card or less OMMP growers though? Not so. We are not required to use the stupid inventory system. I am sure that will change though.

I know of some strains being held in Humboldt that are rare as well. I also have a large array of Colombian seed strains still in my collection. I may or may not still have that strain. It made people silly in a hurry.

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#137

I get out to Oregon every so often. My mother is in Eugene along with a few other family members. Couln’t imagine even trying to grow in that climate there. Guessing most don’t and do it all indoors.

Appreciate the conversation, and all your info!

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#139

Oregon is a great place to grow outdoors, as long as they finish before mid October. I grew 20+ pounds a year just south of Eugene outdoors. Lots of good weed. Southern Oregon is almost all outdoor grows. Up here a lot of GH. I grow here in GH just to keep the summer rains off, and to up the temps in the shoulder seasons. Oregon is becoming more of a Mediterranean climate, rather than maritime. Global warming. Oops, that does not really exist, does it? Climate change then. This summer and 2 summers ago were good years outdoors here. The summer between? Not so good.

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#140

12 clones per OMMP card, 24 with 2 OMMP cards which is the max without an inspection. There are some high clone limits for some grandfathered OMMP growers, in certain zoned areas. Its very complicated, and changes every few months. Anyone growing more than 12 mature plants will be required to use the tracking system next year. Also it will be inspected. They are cracking down on OMMP black market growers here. And basically doing away with commercial medical growing.

Dispensary was Ascend, 13836 NE Sandy Blvd in Portland. The clones were being dumped there by Cascadia Clones in the Gateway district in Portland. I had called the lady that owned Cascadia (she ran an ad on CL) and she had moved her plants to Ascend. They sold the better strains in a few days. They have had nothing like those since then.

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#142

i have a friend from the mazar i sharif region, i am going to ask him if any of his family or friends back home are ‘farmers’

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#143

Some strains I wonder if someonz here has experience with
tropical seeds Zambian copper?
Ace Ethiopian?
USC colombian gold72?
Mandala Satori (seems to be a Nepalese IBL)?

#144

@TukTuk yes i just heard about USC they have lots of landrace strains and all very fairly priced (27.50 euro for 10 at sannies ) the black afghani, senegal and duckfoot strains look interesting to me. anyone have experience with these?

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