Landraces and heirloom (Part 1)

Nice! Done something similar with good results best of luck :beers:

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Not what you would expect from an African sativa.

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@Tejas Itā€™s a unique landrace. A mix of Sudan type or Arabic Indica and more tropical Sativa looking plants. Geographically Uganda around Lake Victoria is more connected to the north via the Nile than to anywhere else. Now that we know from the article @Elchischas posted that South Sudan was an old hotspot for great cannabis. I would expect an influx of canna into Uganda came from this direction long ago, as it likely does today. Surely something Arabic would have mixed in and the equator has had its effect since then, lengthening flowering time and altering the plants form. Neat stuff!
After growing it and putting some puzzle pieces together it makes complete sense it should have such a pheno. Cambodia has them. Vietnam has them. Tropical pole phenos always seems to occur in a tropical country with historical links to colder areas or peopleā€™s migrating from these areas.

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70ā€™s Vietnam repro is viable - popped in a day. Curious to see how this one grows @HappyTrees23s

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Thank you very much @LandraceWarden for the Gilgit Purple Selection and the Unreleased Family Heirloom, as well as the grinder!! It is very generous of you, I really appreciate it!

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Really nice buds @HighHarvestHero, especially for an auto!

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You are welcome my friend.

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Interesting. The low production component means I usually cull such plants lol, but thatā€™s just part of my personal bias, everyone is different, and for me thatā€™s the beauty of this plant, there is a spot for everyone.

I definitely appreciate the pure varieties donā€™t get me wrong, but I also donā€™t mind a haze style hybrid to about 80:20, if itā€™s been selected well for the sativa effect. They are good for filling the jars.
The other thing is that some of the highlands varieties can start out with fatter leaves than other equatorials and then they thin out as the plant grows. Also in my experience not all pure sativa are necessarily airy, though Iā€™ve seen some so adapted to wet conditions that they shed any florets that develop rot, those tend to have more airy open flowers, but some of the stuff here has been selected for more size and density without necessarily adding any broadleaf genetics, I think just because the climate is more conducive to the denser flowers surviving, the flower time is still very long, 120 days or more.
I had always assumed fatter leaves meant broadleaf contamination, but I have learned over the years that itā€™s not necessarily so. The png Iā€™ve seen starts out with fat leaves, before they become very thin by the fifth or sixth node, and of course itā€™s possible they are contaminated, but they donā€™t smoke like it, nor flower like it.

Some of the Lao and north Vietnamese is pretty solid, though it may have some genetics from -neighboring Yunnan in it. The yunnan variety is a kind of broadleaf hash plant in structure; but has very sativa effects, so I think the line is a little blurred in that part of the world.

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Your whole post is spot on imo. Fat early leaves can mean the strain has been grown well for many generationsā€¦ The fat buds can mean harvest occurs during a dry season. As long as the leaves narrow and the flowering time is right. Youā€™re good imo.
Hereā€™s the question. How do we know from where a strain originates? Preflowers early under a long light cycle can mean Broadleaf contamination, but could also means itā€™s Broadleaf descended, tropically acclimated to a Sativa form over many years. This is a great topic for a thread. Sativas of Broadleaf descent. Iā€™m going to start it up.

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I agree. I feel the tropical type landrace/heirloom fanciers (myself included!) are always looking for signs of temperate/hybrid influences in the seeds we grow. Not so easy to discern sometimes. Anyhow, Iā€™ll save my thoughts and experiences (both of which are not super deep :sweat_smile:) for when you start the thread.
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These Malawi are( almost lol) keeping pace with your racehorsesšŸ˜. I just up potted to 2 gallon. They were 3-4 feet in a gallon pot, but I feared hermies, so put them in 2"s. Iā€™m afraid. Very afraidšŸ¤£

Iā€™ll get it started later today. Should be an interesting topic

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Same here. The oneā€™s I have were starting to hurt from being confined to a 1 gallon so I stepped them up to a 1 gallon with the bottom cut out stacked onto a 4 gallon. Hopefully theyā€™re done with the majority of the stretch phase and they use the extra room to bulk up a bit. Weā€™re at around 5 Ā½ ft with the tallest oneā€™s. The fear is real!!:sweat_smile:
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Outside of Mr. Nice, what other selections of nevilles haze are out there? This is one i have become quite interested in

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Permanent home for the MM x NH xMG ! They have an old deep friable bed where hybrids end up 10 ft. This should be interesting. I will have to cull one or two due to plant count. šŸŖ“

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Lucky for you that you have the sun. That plant is a beast and at my lights I just keep bending it. I think it has two months or more to go also.

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Nice @Hashpants ! I hope you get a couple nice females this season. Iā€™m looking forward to seeing how they do outside, best of luck with them!
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For sure @anon73244938 . I had a few shoot from 1 Ā½ ft to over 5 in 4 wks of 11/13, while in one gallons! Literally grows like a weed! I think outside, in a southern state, itā€™ll grow into a tree.
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My personal view is that this has mostly come about from a couple of factors. First is that most growing has become indoors, and secondly for a lot of the US, a tropical sativa outdoors just wonā€™t finish before it freezes.
This is also the case in Europe. So breeders have a dilemma, do they produce pure varieties and then deal with the endless complaints about it being unmanageable indoors and the fact it doesnā€™t finish, or do they hybridize and cater to the bulk of the market? We landrace/heirloom fanatics are a tiny sliver of the growing community, and those of us obsessed with purity are even smaller, so I can see how it would be hard to put bread on the table by strictly catering to this minority of a minority. Itā€™s gotta be a tough market to stand out at the moment though so most seed makers are just rehashing the same tired genetics and not really trying to breed from base principles. The results are lots of boring smoke that all looks and smokes the same.
I think the future of pure landrace genetics is in ā€˜seed saverā€™ networks like Freakers where there is no commercial incentive to contaminate with faster genetics.

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You bring up valid considerations for the breeders, my whole issue about ā€œpure sativaā€ breeders is, donā€™t try to do the horse and pony ā€œpure sativaā€ dance, then slip in a little commercial indica pollen and tell us you brought down the flowering time by 4 weeks and ā€˜stabilizedā€™ it. I can definitely see why breeders create ā€˜manageableā€™ hybrids VS pure lines, my point is that they should be transparent on whether it is a hybrid or a pure line. Once that line gets blurred/broken, trust erodes bery bery quickly with that particular brand. In my experience, thereā€™s nothing that has been able to compare to the experience/quality of outdoor grown pure sativa landrace so the extra scrutiny is worth applying to ensure youā€™re actually working with what the description conveys.

Light dep does make these pure satties accessible in the temperate areas so itā€™s not out of the realm of reality. Maybe impractical for the average joe, but for the purist it seems to be within reach if youā€™re willing to make the extra effort. One of the reasons I love Upstateā€™s updates giving us a glimpse into how these landrace lines fair in temperate locale.

Viva la pure sativa revolucion! Seed saver networks are a true blessing, long live freakers!!

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nanan bouclo, which is said to be half png, behaved just the same for me last year :eyes:

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