Yeah man, I kinda jumped on the thugpug band wagon just as he was retiring due to back issues. I learned of his gear from the owner of nectar and because we are on the same page and I have a bit of a rapport w him, so I only spoke highly of pugs gear, despite the only dm or contact at all was, just as you said, curt, rude, passive aggressive, judgemental and cryptic. I merely asked where i can find his gear, as I see that you’re retiring, and would love to get some if possible. Ok, maybe it was a bad day. But again, when he answered someone who asked in the comments if he was retired or not… They got their head bit off,and the implication was the person was a dumb ass for even asking a rather salient question. My last rant will be, we all see the crazy prices, but he claims that he never changed them, that’s completely on the banks, his price has been 80 or 100 since day 1…well that may be true, but i doubt that you’re comfortable with seedbanks making 4x more, and no work… I mean grow work, the back breaking part, plus his prowess. On one hand, he helps cancer charity with packs of beans others are asking 2to5k on, and does an auction, or he’ll play easter egg hunts w something too. I personally love the cryptic pics of seeds in bags, of unicorn poop, stankasaurus, pbb and something new… So hints are coming. He doesn’t write much, regarding drops, so if you want to maybe get a pack at 250,you can live on ig and wait, but I can’t do that, so I miss them. Somewhere up top he informed people that his ig page went down /hacked, idk, but not much info, just here we go again and beware of scammers and betties. One of these times, timed perfectly after the 2month cryptic set up, a direct link on his ig page brought you to the best looking and absolutely believable website that appears to be run by him… They had all the names corresponding with the hints, 100bux a pack… Made sense after the clap back at the high price comment… I got taken for 1500 and didn’t know it for awhile… Waited for a email receipt, eventually nicely dm’d him, nada. I was getting pissed, as i still didn’t know, and not one breeder i can think of had ever firmly made it clear that if you don’t purchase from, blah blah blah, it is not mine, and can’t vouch for it. So beware of scammers and betties did not cut it for a warning people are using his credibility, and ig acct to perpetrate the scam… Worst, no reply… I found out about 2 weeks later from terpy seeds. Some people didn’t get why i was a bit pissed at him, but when you’re a target for knockoffs, do what you can to warn, have an app like jungle boys, but definitely don’t get you’re “fan boys” pissed, because other than the non denial of his quality, after spending 2500 on actual packs, plus ripped off 1500,i have enough ill ever need, ill never find the unicorn, and I won’t participate in his narcissistic bullshit either. Best way to get a fool to part with his money? Dont piss them off… If you need to warn people that you’re gear is being toyed w in any way, it’s your responsibility to make sure that your customers are aware. You can take the stand of, i didn’t rip you off and i didn’t tell you to buy from “my website from my ig account” instead of, hear we go again about a breach. Most importantly, there is so much fire out there, miserable ass gromer can stay just the way he is, i have more freebies from neptune and some other banks then i can grow before im dead, forget about the packs that i bought 
… I have seen enough fuckery, scumbaggery on ig, I really don’t like it much, too much backstabbing, under the guise of peace&rainbows… Scam artists, mediocre to poor breeders making their way onto the banks i fully trusted… Now, just by the sheer amount of breeders , there cannot be a bar that a breeder must meet to even be on some banks. Where are all these expert breeders, half my age have big menus, lots of f2s and only been growing for 5to10yrs:rofl:… Sorry to hijack your post, but u touched on a sore spot, and I get all nutty thinking about that month of loss, not just pug bean scam, but a person who claimed not to receive 500 on venmo, but wouldn’t show a screenshot, long story, but I think we can agree on the increase in marketing and all the snake oil products… Prices eeking up to a standard 200 starting point, regardless of who knows the breeder or not. Here’s a breeder i can get behind, covert genetics, started with the creme brulee, or lemon brulee at 60 for 10,now that his work speaks for itself, he is priced in a bank at 150…I don’t know the mark up, but considering if you don’t buy from a reputable bank, who knows what you might get. I was lucky to find covert, and several other really great breeders, took an educated gamble on some, and have way too much now. I guess that’s hardly a bad thing, but I can’t look at bud porn… I have a problem with it. I admit that I am powerless over beans and leds my finances are unmanageable!,
