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Add Serious on their pillar-strain too. The weed still there but the price to get it back is some time to clean the repros, luck to start them and to already know them from their previous state … so you have a kind of model of improvement, even if for the Big Bud the new deal is more advantageous imho.

Let’s be cash : The lambda grower have a minimal chance to find a decent long-lasting mother plant without any breeding involved. At least for Sensi and Serious from what i tested so far.

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Sorry for being late on the ball and I’ll be a bit annoying now. But GG4 doesn’t contain Chocolate Diesel… Go back to the original glue link and read the text.

So the calculations you are presenting does show a point, but are not factually correct for GG4 as an example.

Pz :v:t2:

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The whole chapter of “Pairing” is about decisional helps to gauge an idea, a concept or even an entire catalog. Without losing one year to think about it, just to bulletproof an idea by a list of flaws and factors i’m exposing.

Now the GG4 demo is an introduction of something i’ve already exposed in previous wikis but for a more advanced use. I call it “raw reduction” and it’s not intended to be surgical. It’s more an axe’s cut to study multiples variations of an idea, the time to reduce a blunt in ashes.

It will not help you to choose the right horse, but more to see if you’re not doing something that is already milked to the bone. Or just repeating something you’re not willing to do (an indirect BX by example). Now i totally accept the name of heretic if i name the GG4 as a Diesel soup with a hint of thai and BBgm lol You know i’m not a weed nerd.

I’ve not yet covered decisions at pedigree level, it’s more about methodism and how to find a grip with ideas, and to structure them around “farming” (time, space, grade aimed…).

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Yeah, that is a nice article. Just wanted to let you know that the pedigree is not correct.

Then you also have a problem with Chem sis, there is multiple Chem sis clones and they are all different. It’s also a category of clones where you don’t know what the actual make up of it is.

Which imo makes it a horrible example doing this type of genetical explosion on.

Pz :v:t2:

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It’s like the SD i’m still hunting, over the dozens of existing appellations it’s the cut i had in mind as the “SD” and maybe the least hyped lol I will say shit but for another one it will be the “headbanger”, for another one maybe the “albany” … i throw names randomly to expose the bias. Anyway i knew at the first wiki that weed nerds will get crazy with my demos lol

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Going strong here. These AKs are gorgeous, there’s potential despite the added work. You were not kidding about the ERSB, that is intensive nursery care. And NL5haze on the go, that’s something I want to see.

Funny that you start experimenting on the mutation. I wish you’d do that with Giger#1 too, it would last longer enough to get some pollen :wink:

Best news is still that pain has gone, that’s something :partying_face:

Oh and the last wiki edits are really eye opening on some things, still digesting this 25 grid and its possible usages. Smart idea!

The ERSB was the most insane germination i knew since a while, constant care until the sprouts make roots … or death. With multiple exhumations/ablations for some. Two specimens transplanted so far, one remaining on daily care.

For the NLH, it’s different. But a pain in the ass too ^^

None embryo’s extraction (for now), but jailed seedlings. The problematic being that the seeds are quite small, and the radicles are thin and soft like little worms (normal).

In this photo you can see the whole problematic, the seeds are so old that it changed the expected textures of the prime hours.

Behind the seed shell, the cuticle is like a cardboard swim suit; Very dry and solid. To scratch it on a needle’s head of 3 millimeters is stressful.

Behind the cuticle, an hardened endosperm that maintain the cotyledon inside. The most stressful operation, they are inside the dried endosperm.

One time both are removed … you’re happy.

If i don’t remove this hardened bit of cuticle, the junction of the cuticle will be just strangulated and it will die.

So dry and old that the cellulose started to have different layers ^^, also it’s rare to don’t let a bit of plant glued on the shell … another factor of stress.

I’ve to had that if i don’t spray the opened NL5H continuously all the day and until the radicle is digging enough, seedlings are drying and dying ^^

They should change their marketing for a “each pack a different journey” on their top shelves. God. I’m waiting that the situation become stable for the NL5H to launch the JH … not without a big stress.

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Can’t imagine the time it takes and the stress it brings to do such micro surgeries.

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The usual stoner is often writing breeding plans that can be practically accomplished only by the kids of his grandchildrens. And on another side, he’s scared to breed in loop a line during only a couple of years. This ambivalence is not new, but the prevalence is strong today.

That’s one of our nonsense, on a global scale. I think that this generic behavior affect the perspectives on lasting works, then their massive disparition ^^


Rationnal approach VS Irrationnal aproach

A rationnal approach is weighted and easy to plan, it concern most of genetic maintenances and polishing. This is also a reccuent angle in IBLs.

Taking a landrace to inbred by example, it is easily rationnal :

  • cleaning (herms and runts)
  • weed improvement or conservation
  • maintenance of traits worked

A bad irrationnal approach will be to ignore the timeline, the context and the goal to reach :

  • taking a hashplant cultivar to deliver weed
  • BXing it directly without any stabilization before
  • crossing this messed up line to a higher quality, thinking that the averages will be improved.

And sometimes you just want to germinate in loop all seeds you have of a line. This, for an unique specimen that the line can potentially generate.

Maybe 50% chances to land on the right spectrum of phenos, maybe the half to get on top the right scents … and more generally with coky breeding plans, a 1%-10% chance to get the genetic material. I’ve calculated my rate from 8% to 25% (IBLs) in average, final selection ratio. In my comfort zones and with over two decades of seeds i can’t even count.

It’s by definition an irrational game in our weird context. Our scene mostly generate popular genetics by accidental pollination of herms, in cash crops and not inside breeding labs.

And the most delicious fact is that the biggest companies of the modern cannabis industry still rely on the closets of stoners.

It’s important to understand that the ground is already a nonsense, to dodge layers of unecessary irrationnal problems, most of the time acting as neutralyzers at the concept stage.

Let’s visit the most commons :

Rip-off industry

I was a bee a long time around the needs of white label’s structures, to don’t say dedicated to this. The concept of this kind of need is entirely based on an obvious copycat of everything for cheaper, it’s assumed and (smartly) marketed generally.

You have all crossed the path of this kind of seedbank :

  • Enormous catalog impossible to maintain in production technically (considering the contexts ^^)
  • Cyclic and agressive marketing campaigns. Most of the money is spent there, i’m talking litterally about the major parts of the profits.
  • Dynamic offer : generally by semesters, new lines reflecting previous retailer’s volumes.

It exist various forms : those planned to last only a coupled years, those acting also as wholesaler distributors but also the startup-look-alike ones since a decade that don’t even touch a single seed or bud inltheir daily routine.

The catalogs are quite uniforms among companies, it surprised me the first time. And i’m talking about the similarity of combos in the details.

At first you have the funnel of the production. It’s easy make a lot of seeds. But not when you need to bill them, pay taxes on it and offer a certain level of reliability (predictable quality/price ratio) and liability (r&d ready to fire).

No one will beg after you for a line that can be “bulked” in the cheapest countries for tremendously cheaper prices, fem or not. And legally operated.

It’s the part of the lethal irrationnality i see in a lot of little labels that are just obviously hacking another catalog or trying to make a “peak-a-boo” on a saturated demand ^^

The line is quite porous and biased, behind the easy targets of the cheapest seeds of the market. But also behind the biggest volumes. Popular little labels represent perhaps as a whole the volume of one single line sold by one of the biggest Dutch white labels retailers.

So sincerely, just selling fast repros is pointless in any way you take it lol

Now the real ambivalence is that we are all “ripping of” someone at one point. Even the most “full of rules” collector of landrace you can find.

We reach a philosophic point that leave the goal of this section, But for me it’s resumed at the old school etiquette :

  • You’re using, you’re crediting. Even against the will of the source, it’s a matter of education on strains to preserve for the comunity, and not about egos.
  • I dislike the notion of property on a line but if you release something factually better than the original … you’re the holder of a necessary evolution. Specifically if it mean to sweat blood to de-herm a line with expensive low grade seeds ^^

Reinventing the wheel and the will

When i’m able to maintain a line, most of my daily cones are filled with JH. So for most of close friends, i’m falsely only smoking this ^^

And i always got this critic : Why the hell i don’t make my own, this weed being just a NL5H with a shot of Skunk#1. Always fresh meat in general.

I’m loving and rolling both : the NL5H and the JH, smoked at different moments for different uses.

Technically both aren’t hard to recreate, even from scratch. But these combos were done with specific selections, with specific hands and during a specific zeitgeist influencing what’s hunted.

I’m prone to yell at everybody that the study of a pedigree is a strategic approach to dodge the muddy weeds of unwanted BX. But not to make it a breeding plan in anyway.

The specimens you get at each batch of germination will decide the ride, then the sequence of your cross. Maybe it will be this initial (AB x C) thinked, maybe more finally a (AB x AC) … no one know in fact, even in sequencing, how will be the round used to extract the pairing.

What make this NL5H x Skunk#1, a JH, is the situation at the moment that the pairing was done. The context as a whole, humans hands included.

You’re not forced to accept this, and you can even make it a motor in your journey.

But it’s important to understand that there is not much ways to obtain a singular smoke : to stabilize it or to generate it.

It’s the reccurent error of little labels, acting like struggled sellers of a soup. They add water each year, until they finish to sell just hot water with a product name. Don’t be one more of this seriously.

Sometimes it’s as simple that continuing to simply love to smoke daily something, then polishing it until your stoned brain is shining.

Now most of my best lines are generally built on a JH blueprint. What a surprise …

The harder part is to accept that the built matter and not the reference. The soul of the weed come at the moment you have the array of seedlings under the nose.

The truth no one want to listen about landraces.

I don’t count the number of stoners thinking to have find the magistral idea that no one thinked before them : recreating a strain from the raw landrace point.

The truth is that you need in general a decade to chisel the gloral qualities of a landrace, at the point to be competitive with modern standards.

In the 70’s the gap between the landrace’s grade and their young hybrids wasn’t the valley of today.

The conceptual reverse engineering have its limits, and you have to take the pedigree of sensi seeds and the serious seeds with a grain of salt.

It’s more a matter of a given hybrids nursery rotation, than really inbred landraces inter-crossed.

In the same vein i can note a SD BX as a triple afghani x mexican x colombian … not fundamentally wrong but so silly.

Conclusion : You're drawing on the sable of a beach

Most of these considerations are thrown on the table with the sincere wish to see more pragmatism in discussions that are revolving around breeding. More context shared too, it’s all the salt and the soul of a true strain.

I’m all for principles, specially if they are assumed entirely. Sometimes it even give interresting signatures, i’m totally fine with this.

But not used to blindfold you on a demand that can fuel your vision, not with too much faith on how are made the pillars-breeder’s cut (absolutely not from raw landraces lol) etc …

I’m really frustrated to can’t give a recipe to make working in peace a standard with the necessary elasticity, to don’t drawn the lead breeding.

It’s actually a perpetual tension among cycles of R&D, not really an equation to solve. The more you’re pushing in accuracy, the more you invoke your self-discipline.

From a repro it’s not hard : generally the materials now are raws and unstables. Any rationnal care (genetic health) will improve the line.

But when you have reached the plateau of the genotype, after the tempests of co-dominances, you’re quickly punished to underestimate the exponential leverage of each selection. It’s also where you can generate the true competitive singularities, “Jah giveh Jah takeh”.

So i have a bad new, but it’s a true chemically pure feedback on how to have fun in this nonsense.

I like to handle my awareness of the difficulty with challenges. Mostly self-challenges i must say. Some others with an agressive arrogance (yunub) equally with “the best humility of world” or excuses called humility.

Look like I’m mocking but I’m quoting three persons that I was appreciating a lot in term of posture/factual output ratio. Be cool, don’t blame the messenger.

Behind our excuses, beyond our lefty manner to hide the insane context … we are all sweating blood for a grail at one point. And it’s not about breeding, it’s almost a massive ritual on an ethnobotanic angle.

Not knocking the wall of the hardiness with the head first is a wise move.

Breeding is not a sequential progression but more a constant pressure you’re applying on a genpool.

If you’re weak one year on your most accurates lines … it can be simply the end of the ride the next season. It’s a respiration for you too, the quality of your focus is also a parameter.

It relativize also the fact to possess a given genetic, and the fact to being actually able to cycle it for a constant improvement. Wathever is the checkpoint, a motherplant or seeds.




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“A different adventure in every pack!”

Thanks for the surgical images, helpful seeing problems and solutions for them.

Hopefully the NL5H launch difficulty ends soon and you can get to JH. Maybe the different adventure this time will be 10/10 germination and vigorous seedlings :rofl:

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The transition of this cycle is a bit chaotic but it’s moving forward. 2 AKs and one Calindi finish their seeds, the weed is harvested and almost binge-smoked. One time i dry the seeded mothers, i will write an exhaustive report on the AK “2K3” with advises.

Giger#1 is gorgeous. But disappointing a bit, i was expecting a lot more stretch and she’s well too much engaged in flo to make a surprise. Scents vanished with the arrival of trichomes on leaves, she look like to have hard times to produce precursors in enough volume to stink. The aroma still amazing. I will not push this one to senescence like breeding materials, i will try to catch the potency peak.

The AK7, the last sinse harvested. I finished her with humic/fulvic then with honey/water (10g/Liter), in memory of old days. No, it don’t make the weed taste like honey ^^

The AK10, more compliant with the historic shape of the AK47.

Except these fancy terps, each pheno have its own variation of this bubblegum taste. Sometimes it’s spicy, sometimes more fruity, sometimes more “gummy” … i will come back on this in the “strain-smoke-report”.


New decoration on the grow-desk. As usual, strangely, two immature seeds under-calibrated. But overall the seeds look good. Soaking in humic/fulvic/h202 atm. Useless to say that i’m fcking stressed for these ones.

Well, the family got a newcomer. Wifey have pushed, it’s a Main Coon. Half of my bet on “breeding with one 4x4” is gone now lol

Stay green and grow only your favs !

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Congratulations on the new cat!

And :crossed_fingers: for some decent results from the Jack pack.

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It’s gonna be a big one then.
Super Cool!

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Nice cat! Love that big fat nose. Told you it would’nt take so long. My last one landed the same way, through my mate. Hope you won’t have a new one every time you soak some JH though

Tent looks a bit empty without these painful seedlings. But that Giger is making a show. Tiny but will drop some fat bud.

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Good and intense week, I just forgot to make an update to keep the track. Over a week now that i’m jailed in very complicated germinations on the three new lines, it’s really intense due to the extremes cares given and the multiple check:foliar daily. Can’t wait that i stop the sprouter for a while.

I wasn’t believing in it, but i got a replacement pack. 14 seeds packaging for this one, i think the message is clear ^^ I like the new card, they don’t fixed the “maracas” but the design is cool and sober. The kitch photos of buds still missing a bit for my taste. I will make a shot of the grow desk later but since the start of 2023 i got 4 different packaging. This one is the newer you can get in 2024.

I’ve to tell the story a bit, it’s about Tanya and Nicola from Sensi support. Without the duo i was in the shit with the ERSB, they are sedentary and not from the asian hotline contractors. We got arguments on the two Calindi packs and the COB they refused to replace, the seeds were a shame and an hell to extract. But i stayed always cool and i even promised a line dedicated to tanya in memory of some lunar exchange on cannabis botany ^^

This shot was the opportunity to fuck me, Sensi wiped their database so i was forced to create a new account with zero momentum on orders. Nikola figured an option, then the round can continue.

I’m supposed to send a ticket for the JH and the NL5H as well, but … tired of this. You’re unofficially limited in replacements packs per year, it’s a bit stupid for their regular customers, so i don’t burn my bullets ^^

I still have some others lines to save before Thaï contractors fuck everything a bit more. Not much, my raid on Sensi is almost finished like my raid on Serious, but what’s remaining are their top shelves on prices.


Giger#1 still gorgeous but i’m a bit disappointed by the lack of stretch. She’s now in early and long senescence, like was doing the mother. A bit of top shooter and i close the folder. Scents vanished fast when i started to feed on limits, fragile chemotype very much dependent on its precursors. It’s something i dislike.

But the early flo was just amazing in terps, the combo of the BBGm lead of the AK and the strange “alien fruit” side of this Shishka made a treat. I had a “sativa pheno pollen” and an “indica pheno pollen”, i think the grain that hitted this ovula was the indica pal obviously. The structure is very neat too and overall the metabolism is on the right side for me, can’t wait to burn this weed to know if it’s worth the ride.

Yup, i pissed blood on the JH too. The seedlings being even thinner than the NL5H, it make the daily rescues a bit more hot. Prey for me.

Each line got its own procedure, depending if i was fighting again hard shells, almost dead embryos or toxic endosperm (ersb) ^^ Last batch got a strong zombie tea … lets see i get more than three saved from hell specimen with multiple surgeries lol

To give an idea of the scale, it’s generally a double operations : shell without breaking the embryo, then releasing it from the cuticle (most of the time, the source of the problem).

Close call for this one, the cuticle just started to melt … the damping off wasn’t far without photosynthesis.

It’s the daily maintenance, multiple times a day. After the fresh ERSB, I still don’t know yet how i will fill the holes. I’m waiting news too on incoming genetics, to figure out some priorities.

It’s also the harvest of seeds, cleaning them, sorting them … the round was quite productive. Specially on the AKs. But it’s also something to work in decent conditions, with fresh calibrated seeds that don’t cost a kidney.
Seed’s ogre is back.

This AK foxtail as fuck at the moment she pollinated, i find it cool ^^

The insane germination have maybe created a leverage on this batch, but it’s quite indica for the ERSB, for now.

The jars are filled as fuck since a while, and it’s also some time to spend to write down the smoke reports, comparative degustation etc … it doesn’t sound like a nightmare, it isn’t, but rejected specimens are not fascinating ^^ I’m burning weed like a train to get my “stock gone” pause, can’t wait the JH.

I will take the time to share in depth feedbacks with a strain-report per line explored the last round. It’s quite disturbing i must say.

Stay green and keep the vibes high !

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G1 is the lone star for the moment, she holds the show. But things will take off soon. :slight_smile:

Crazy “support” it seems. At least you got fresher seeds now, we’ll see if the last batch is better. No more surgery!

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It still feel so depopulated for now … but these damned seeds ask a lot of cares and time. Not the right time to juggle until the situation is fully stable. I will try to cut Giger#1 matured as an AK should, i’ve to check trichomes after the dark period of their night (my day) but i think it’s for this night. Let’s see if the chainsaw high/stone persist with the shish blend.

I still complain about the lack of stretch (this one come from the “indica pheno” pollen’s flap sent by @SHSC-1), but on the floral structure i must say that it’s competitive in term of grade.

It’s also the gnat’s season ^^ These SF predators are impressive even if you know lol The next day, it’s the valley of death from a brutal infestation. Just magic. Of course it’s synched with the most fragile state of the most awful germination set i’ve dialed since a while ^^ Let’s think Jah is hiding in the survivor some pearls in exchange.


And now why i’ve not asked a replacement for the JH even if it was quite justified … with the bunch of sensi pack i’ve glued on the desk now, it’s no longer a sarcastic meme in my mind. It start to be quite insulting i must say, specially on top shelves.

I like the H202 reaction even if it’s quite too reactive for my taste lol, i operated in the solution for this one.


Just pissed at this point ^^

The surviving phenos of the first batch of ERSB are quite indica-ish for now. Sold for a 50%, for now it look like a legit claim.

The best seller of the moment : a segment of California Indica trunk and a rope. It keep him away enough from playing with the watering cans or jumping on drain’s puddles. It’s not a myth, maine coons fucking love water. We called him Muffin, he’s just possessed by the evil if you eat a muffin aside him ^^

In backstage a lot of moves, so i’m not very sure on how i will complete this round (filling free slots). I’m also waiting a cut that i try to smuggle over here since now 14 months ^^, it’s tight … heat is back slowly but surely.

I think it will be quite calm during a month, fighting with my expensive divas to get the most pure repros i can ^^

See you around and make tons of seeds ;o)

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It’s starting to crowd still, your rescued seedlings are starting to take off :slight_smile: Damn slow but healthy.

Too bad G#1 is a dwarf, it’s funny how its bud structure looks like a good mix: you can see on the top bud that it’s starting to foxtail like the AK, but with more packed and fat flowers like a shishka. Very nice bud indeed.

Oh I know! Gnats are coming over here too, I can see them coming from outside. But I’m using BTi now and it works wonders. Nematodes are great for infestations, but with BTis I’m never anymore in a situation where I’m infested. They simply cannot live in the soil. A few little pellets per liter of soil goes a long road, it’s really cheaper and more convenient than nematodes. I just drop a few in any soil that enter the house.

Given the bubbles, either your H2O2 mix was hot, or your seeds really needed a cleaning. :confused: They look alive though, there’s hope.

That cat is so nice, love them small like that, with big ears and eyes, and very playful. Part of the best moments. But now that you have muffin, you have to find blueberry though lol

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The floral print of the shish is quite balanced actually yes, but something have unlocked the grade of the flowers with heterosis. It’s in the texture/density linked with these thick pistils concentration.

When i press a bit, it’s overloaded in terps but the plant stopped to smell with the apparition of flowers. Without the expected stretch ^^, but the shape is very similar to an afghani#1 actually.

I’m tempted to push her to death but i will not know how the AK chemotype pass with a balanced trich coverage. It’s dumb ^^ The only specimen i want to grow for the ego, i got an indica slut. Jah don’t like when i grow for the pleasure lol

in my previous growlog you can see a total chemical war (BTI incluced) and I even torched the soil lol Matter of strain, here they are bred with the most hardcore poisons that wineyard owners can use almost legally ^^

When i stopped the lab previously to go help a buddy, i reached a point where gnats eated 5 liters of roots per week on big motherpants lol These weird worms really saved my ass to pass the early May invasions and with only one shot a year. By environnemental factors, its hard to convince me to return to BTI actually.

Worse. They soaked in zombie tea during 48hrs, then they got a little week of H202/H2O spa in the sprouter.

Those that were not making foam were the uncraked ^^ Same shit that the first batch, cuticle is in putrefaction, dark green and make some mess.

The advantage to knew what will be the ride was to directly treat the problem to save embryos earlier. I don’t expect much than 3-4 more specimens, i just hope a faster recovery.

hell no ^^

They say also they are talkative cats … he talk to me all the time lol He even get pissed if I don’t “ping”.

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With all my respect to jah, listen to your mind :slight_smile:

Right, I remember now, including the stockings around the full pot :laughing: Your gnats definitely sound like warriors. No wonders, when it comes to IPM in our region, most of the documentation I’ve found resolved around vine lol

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Cats can be really communicative… and loud

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