Man you knowledgeable on this breeding history!! Thanks for sharing.
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So, this is getting stupid. Whereās @LemonadeJoe to stop this?
This is a community, and as a community, ownership is pretty well fucked. 'scuse my language, but yea, itāll fuck shit up
Prove to me, you own marijuana.
Prove to me, you own anything that comes of it.
Prove to me, that i canāt take your seed, reproduce it a million times, and give it away; Or sell it if i want to and people are stupid enough to swap it for currency.
I thought iād found a place of likeminded individuals. Stupid me
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Why, STOP it?
The issue is not wether Todd should be doing this or not, but for us as growers, wether we should be buying it or not.
Why pay $200 for a 10 pack when Shatibabaās āShitā is one of the cheapest strains to buy and we all know full well how close to Skunk#1 that strain is.
The question is do we keep level heads or buy into the hype. Nevilās passing could be a coincidence or not, in the timming.
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Who is Joe supposed to be stopping from what now???
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Iāve noticed joe and a few other members seem to have took a hiatus, hope all is well
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I would like to cultivate those Africans, good luck with your trip.
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@Jay pardon my confusion but Iām not sure what or who youāre saying is āfucked upā.
Even here at OG opinions vary about the āethicsā of how seeds should be treated; some are in the āitās all free & openā camp & others think a single F1 cross of othersā breeding is their new creation & proprietary.
Iām pretty sure the debate is open & civil enough here.
Personally, I curse like a motherfucker. A lot. 
not mine-- yours! 
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lets see how it goes, cheers.
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Iām sorry but when morals and ethics come into play I can see if it was a land race but if you put your hard work sweat and tears into something for use I can see where you would be offended by it slam me if you will but I understand both sides itās a plant and a seed unfortunately weāve all been forced by law into these archaic conditions where we have to pay exorbitant amounts for plants. On the other hand people who put hard work Sweat and Tears into things expect certain things in return. Iām sorry Iām not a scientist Iām not trying to butt in anyoneās conversation but when Napster came out and it was shut down due to copyright infringement I understood that these people and artists put hard work into the music and should have been paid for it and not stolen. Some people think itās morals and ethics issue in the end itās a plant that bears seed and you can send them all the way around the globe so good luck stopping us. Rage on LOL just kidding I contradicted myself like 20 times in there. Oh yeah fuckety Funk shity fucking efukt I had to get my licks inš
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If I throw a pack of DJ shorts blueberry out for breeding is he going to come to my house and double tap me in the head is anyone going to tell me no donāt send them please no no stop
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Thats not really the topic of discussion. Most GREAT breeders, want growers to pop the whole 15 Reg packs and go on to F2, F3 and so on, they want the the growers that buy their genetics, to play around and discover their own shit.
The topic is about Nevil passing and people coming out and dropping "Nevilās genetics"and not at such nice prices, to add.
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I hear you. You know how it is people try to capitalize on whatever they can is sad but when people pass people act crazy. What else is new. Capitalization happens all the time just like when an artist dies and anything they touched sores in price. Is that it? Iām just wondering because weāre all guarantee one thing so when that happens to the other guys who are doing it in the same thing happens with their gear is everybody going to freak out. Just a question. Sorry I didnāt see what you said it is cool to play around with it I see both sides but it is shameful the way some people Act. Would I want it to happen to me no but such is life. Iām sorry Iām not trying to be disrespectful obviously the man was well loved and respected by all of us not that I personally knew him or anything but probably everything that Iām smoking right now has some of his genetics in it. I apologize for being abrasive my dad used to always hit me with both sides and then explain it. I didnāt realize he was a botanist. Makes me wanna be a better man. More knowledgeable you know
Amusing some of the bizarre statements made here. Like there was no Durban Poison in South Africa. Some odd references have been made about Mel Frank as well. They actually tie together. Mel was the one that took landrace Durban Poison (wild bushweed) and bred it to be more stable stateside. He says that he sent the results to Sam Skunk in Holland where it was bred with skunk. That is where all the other Dutch lines came from. You can read Melās story about it posted on Leafly. It seems plausible. There is (or was) real Durban Poison and a whole raft of related strains from South Africa. Lesotho, KwaZulu, Transkei, etc. There was also Rooibaard. THAT was the strain of strains in South Africa that everyone refers to there. The mythical strain of strains. Meanwhile original Durban Poison in Durban, SA has pretty much been replaced with Swazi genetics.
As for original Haze, likely that was just an early hybrid of Colombian and Mexican going around Northern California that Sam Skunk took to Holland from California and sold to Nevil. Back then there was no internet so there was no way to verify what he had done or not done in Santa Cruz. The stories about Sacred Seeds are all over the place. None of them can be corroborated. There is zero evidence that it existed in Santa Cruz County. There was no Sacred Seeds bust. Dave Watson was never busted there. There was no Sacred Seeds catalog printed or distributed. The only reference to that catalog was a hand written one posted in HT in the mid 1980s after Sam went to Holland. As for all the references to the Haze Brothers? They never existed. Even according Sellout Toddās latest posts. Now the story is that it was some other unnamed dude that bred original Haze. High Times is where a lot of these stories came from. Watson/Sammy Skunk was a writer for them under the name āSelgnijā (according to Ed Rosenthal). HT is also where sellout Todd worked. Now he is making a lot of bucks off of published HT fantasy, Nevilās breeding and Watsonās leg work.
The green rushs here. Its all about money now.
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This is why dudes like @deep_rob are cool. They lay out experiences they have lived through.
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This is the shit I love, INSIGHT. Thanks !
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From what ive heard or understand, sacred seeds has been around since before cannabis prohibition, so how āteflonā Dave T-Watson can claim he started Sacred Seeds (which I understand he did) is simply a joke, if true.
I hear Mr Watson is inline for some big things in cannabis.
Dont be surprised if u see him popping up with some new super-duper cannabis strains.
From what Ive read, T-Watson was made of teflon after sliding out of a drug bust in Cali supposedly. That when he went to Holland etc etc etc
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Iāve done alot of research into the sacred seeds story and itās all hard to sort out but itās easy to see who came out on top regardless of how much or little truth was behind the story. Iāve posted alot on here about it but all we can do is choose to not support those who profited from selling out the people they got close to.
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If you want Nevils gear do your research and Iād suggest getting it from those who have always had it and not the people who all of a sudden have a bunch of crosses to the most currently trendy strains.
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Look up the current release of ghash or pick up his haze , Iād pick up the ghash but am finacialy strapped at the moment.
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thats my feeling exactly. This guy comes out of nowhere with all these crosses. As tempting as it maybe, Im happy having Shantiās Shit, that counts as skunk #1 in my book
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