Lux reading is 35,000 at the top of the plant. It is one of the shorter plants
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Organic soil mixes shouldn’t be flushed this flushes out all the microbes you’ve been working so hard to maintainThis can be remedied by Cooking your Soil for 2 weeks before you even put a plant in it.I can tell those guys were put straight into non chelated Hot soil just by the leaves and how thier behaving when you do that the soil is trying to break down all those nutrients in it.Ph and temperature will rapidly fluctuate and the soil will get a warmer temp from the action of all those microbials waking up and breaking everything down the plant will not react well to this and it will have a shit fit.the Temp in the middle of this batch of soil is 102 degrees in a 65 degree garage it’s at day 5 of cook and you can see the mycelium taking off from the Malted 2 row barley and fresh earthworm castings .Another week or so the temp will go to slightly above room temp to normal temps.Hence why they call it cooking the soil.This heat will kill pathogens off and give you a good sterile soil with now readily available food and a good PH.Salt Bottle nutrient is a different monster and those can and should be regularly flushed to regulate accumulation of salts in the bottoms of the root ball.
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Also experiment with your amendments and see where your sweet spot is.Some of these nutrients you only need half of the recommended dose and the manufacturer won’t tell you that they need you to buy thier product so they don’t want you saving that shit they want consumption.Some of those amendments if they have alfalfa in them I guarantee they will run hot that stuff is loaded with nitrogen just a heads up
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Nice response very informative, May I ask what is your opinion of FFOF and should I be doing anything to it before I use it? I have had very good luck with it, but some strains I have grown seem to not like it, but is ok if I put it in the bottom half mixed w/ 25% perlite and use regular potting soil on the top w/ 25% perlite mixed in. I do however only grow autos at the moment. What might I use that is available to buy that might be better. I use FFOF to recharge the soil or doctor earths dry fertilizer 5-5-5 and switch to flower girl when they start to flower. I grow indoors only rate now in an open room with humidifier, fans, 480W led light. Can you possible give me some other idea that could benefit me more.
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See I’m a straight up Dr earth man I can’t say enough for the product I use The Pure gold green bag that stuff can be used in veg and bloom and I also use the flower girl be careful with that one use half dose she will burn up flowers a tiny bit.As for FF here goes,deep breath ahhhhhh now Fox farm used to be a lot different back in the day.Now they use a synthetic nitrogen spray in that soil and I’m not a big fan of it I always get burned with that one so I stay away and amend my own soil mixes.I must say though Coast of Maine soils have it going on now a days I hear all you have to do is water that stuff thier stonington blend is supposed to be good stuff.Only FF product I actually use these days is Fox farm Big bloom not the tiger bloom the big bloom is mostly ECW and bat and bird guano with some calcium and magnesium it’s a staple in my flower program they have always been consistent with big bloom
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I do have EWC, cal/mag, liquid kelp, FFOF, FFHF, FF Trio, great white, root toner powder. Really trying to stay away from all those fancy bottled nutrients. Trying to stay more organic so no flush at the end. I do believe that with all that fancy pretty bottle stuff (voodoo juice, Unicorn sweat, and what not) they just want you to keep buying and I think the weed taste better with the dry amends. Seems like a lot of people have quite a bit of problems? Might very well be user error as I would expect. Less is more in most circumstances as I to have learned. When in doubt read the instructions or call the manufacturer. Just started growing again in the last year, I believe the market is now over flowing with stuff. Very overwhelming to a new person. Back in the day I only had high times, books, and the local hippies. Hell we had to make everything for indoor grows then now the sky is the sky is the limit but at what price? Sorry yo ask so much but always seeking more knowledge and other people’s perspective.
I always start out with 1/2 amounts unless we are talking teas
As a rule of thumb now I do that. I had to learn by trial and error. I do think some times you must work thing out with a little help from your friends. School of hard knocks sucks when you are buying seeds. I have been throwing away a gold mine all my life, never saw this coming. I was very lucky way back when, there was a hippy that used to live in a treehouse and used to hitchhike all over the world. He always brought seeds back from his trips. I was lucky enough to be gifted many times by him.
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Give it some epsom water (add a cup of epsom salt to a gallon of water). Should clear it up, repeat once or twice a week and you should be good. Don’t overwater though. You might be good with overwatering once or twice if the soil was dryish for some time to flush out some of the hot stuff, but using epsom water helps the plant maintain balance through it all.
edited because I remembered you only water and soil mix.
A cup? I’ve seen anywhere from 1g/gal (about 1/4tsp) to a couple tablespoons/gal for Foliar feeding.
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Yeah, so? Foliars aren’t soil drenches and deficient plants can take a nice boost of both sulphur and magnesium, without any issue. It often helps even when it’s not the actual problem because sulphur and magnesium help the plant maintain proper balance through which it can restore itself.
You’re not watering exclusively with dose this mind you, it’s a boost dose and it can be used several times before it ever causes issues.
The run off takes care of some imbalances first and then when it dries out it sets a reserve of magnesium in the soil, of which cannabis tends to use a shitload, and most soils are already heavily depleted with magnesium these days.
And then I didn’t even mention there’s the coco that can bind to the leftover magnesium in the soil. Coco isn’t the best medium imho. Even as an amendment it kinda sucks. Peat is better for the plant but worse for the environment, so I don’t use peat either, I got my own ways to get proper soil if I don’t buy it, due to my specific geographical region. But that’s another story all together.
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I’d say it’s definitely a pH imbalance leading to multiple lockouts in mobile and immobile nutrients. Once that pH is dialed, I bet you see an immense improvement.
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Just curious bc that’s 20x higher than anything I’ve read. Guess I have more reading to do.
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There’s a big difference between different nutrients on how much you can overshoot. Calcium should NEVER be overshot, because it can quickly lead to an insta-cough type of weed. Same for P and K. They are hard to use by the plant and providing more than the plant can take up, especially together with high leaf temps, would cause a quick nutrient burn too. Not the same type of cough as too much Calcium would give though.
N is also one you have to be careful with, especially indoors where we tend to grow short seasons. Though too much N is just a tad harder to spot. Also less bad because with time the grassy flavours can mellow out, but not good if you wanted to be able to smoke your homegrown sooner rather than later.
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As I understand it, foliar feeding can’t cause lockout so it doesn’t matter all that much if you overshoot. As far as a soil drench, last time I fed a plant 1 tbsp/gal of epsom it went deeply green and stopped growing entirely for two months… maybe there are some conditions where 16 times that amount is a good idea, but I don’t know what they might be. I don’t think this is universally good advice, though I have nothing but anecdotal evidence.
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One cup of Epsom salt is far too much.That’s the recommended dose if your soaking yourself in a bath tub of water.It’s shit like this that gets people in trouble and they ruin thier plants and other people parrot it .Don’t use a cup that is Way more than anyone ever recommended not only is one cup going to rock your shit if there’s any availability of magnesium in that soil you just quadrupled the allowance and you will kill your shit.Don’t do it a Tbl spoon to a gallon at best.Been using Epsom salt for 20 years a tbl spoon is more than enough.If not I want to see some one water thier shit with a cup of Epsom salt to a gallon hell I might do it to one of my stragglers and put it up on here for everyone to see.
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How big do you guys make your cups cause I’m using a kiddy cup that’s about a coffee cup in size, not a coffee mug mind you…
I’m not an American and cup sizes confuse me, gotta hand y’all that!
And if I had epsom salt I wouldn’t mind showing you a video where I do it to mine but my wife has taken away my spending privileges for the month 
Gotta stock that back up though.
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A cup is a unit of measure, 250mL or about 250grams of Epsom salt. Lol, guessing this is the disconnection here.
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If it was me I would start over with everything. Sucks sorry. edit I’ve nute burned plants in the past. The time it takes to turn them around. Ive done it because I didn’t want to start over. Every time I regretted it.
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Yeah I’d say my cup is more like 100-120 ml depending on how full I make it. Plastic toddler cup.
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