Greg has alzheimer’s and/or dementia last I heard, he’s said a different version of the story every time he’s been asked.
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Whatever Greg’s NL are, they’re pretty damn good. I liked AG NL2 so much I bought 3 more packs… it’s one of the closest highs to pre-legalization weed I’ve found. I don’t usually buy multiple packs of something unless it’s something good, and those are good. And I don’t think Todd ever said the Purest Indica was “NL1”, he said it was Purest Indica, Murphy’s Afghan, which is exactly what it looks like, an exquisite landrace indica. The leafy structure and funky buds is commonplace for landrace. I have no reason to doubt any of their story. In all honesty, I’d have bought almost anything coming from Greg, even if it wasn’t exactly what Nevil got, because he’s fucking Greg. Just so happens it’s dynamite weed.
Rocket, get off it, get a life. Who cares? You’ve been going on with this for years. If you have something better, then put up or shut up. Back in the early 2000s, the best NL were always out of Washington and British Columbia Canada, not Europe, and I’m sure they were not exactly the same, but it didn’t matter because the high won out. That’s the only thing that really matters, is how it smokes, not some jerks on the internet saying it “is or isn’t this or that” because of some stupid theories that can’t be proved.
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Makes sense.
This is why I love cannabis. What one person loves another person either doesn’t find or doesn’t like. I didn’t find anything worth keeping in the first couple packs of nl 2. One more to hunt through. Hoping to find those og kush parent type plants that Todd mentions
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No.
“Northern Lites” is different than “Northern Lights #N”
The former refers to Steve Murphy’s Afghan, now called Purest Indica. The numbered crosses came after, and differ depending on who did them. That is the part of the story that is unclear to me because of so many people involved, dead, or whatever.
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It matters to people who take genetic lineage serious.
People, go ahead, go down the “legit” rabbit hole. See how far that takes you.
Let’s Go!! 
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So why does Todd call his purest indica NL1?
I was also under the assumption based on what Greg has said that “lights” happened when Neville got the beans so anything prior to him receiving them would have been lites as the NL crew named it. The purest indica being the original that they based everything off of?
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Yes, this is what I also where reacting too. So the purest indica is a cross made by Murphy before the nl1-11 ever became a reality, which is an Afghan x Afghan?
Because as Greg tells it, it sounds like NL is Purest Indica x Murphy’s Indica. Which would make them two separate indicas.
Pz 
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I guess moral of the story is you can’t trust potheads recollections immersed in criminal behaviours from that time. It was normal to hide truths to keep things exclusive.
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If you got any BC grown NL from dealers in the Fresno area of california , that NL came from my garden. Every crop for years was bought by my buddy Kevin for 2800USD a pound and he would show up like clockwork 2 weeks after harvest time eager for the next load LOL
Those were the gravy days of growing for me… 95 to 2005 . The cut came from the Hells Angels in the fraser valley/lowermainland BC and I got it as partial payment for running trim crews that serviced affilliated grows. It was labelled as NL5 and try as I might I cannot find any garden shots from back then that clearly show it. It grew fast and bushy and required a lot of sucker thinning. The branches would almost overtake the top and they would finish like a roundish ball of a bush. It had that sweet nutty earthy flavor with just a hint of citrus and it was quite potent. I moved it locally at the time for 2800 canadian but when the “kush” craze started in the early 2000’s the NL was not so much in demand. By 2002 Kevin and his crew weren’t buying anymore and were sourcing from thier own local sources in California.
I see that there is almost nevr any mention of a guy called Steve Tuck in all this Northern Lights discussion. I know that Steve was responsible for many prize cuts and seed lines making it to BC growers all around the same time frame as the NLs and the Kushes.
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@SHSC-1 Have you kept that NL line?
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Where did you acquire the kush 4? That’s sick!!!
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Can someone tell me what the difference of og kush breath (ogkb) and og kush is?
no unfortunately.
in 2003 I made a move to a bigger house and better grow set up. I handed off my trays of prize clones to a friend we thought was trustworthy and said he could handle it. I set up a big closet at his place with a 4 bulb florescent rack and all he had to do was water them and I would pic them up in 2 weeks after the move was done and the rooms set up.
When I went to get the trays , he gives me a song and dance about having to leave town for a couple days and gave my plants to his uncle to look after… His uncle never returned them.
Tim Koebel… wherever you are you are a fuckwad LOL
So I went back to work for the affilliates and my place was turned into a mother and clone farm and I was in charge. In '05 we got home invaded in the middle of the night and it was a shit show. I nearly died that night and wear the scars of my beatings and tortures and stab wounds.
Needless to say I walked away from growing and cut ties with dozens of people… had to deal with the bikers and explain what went down. Cost me 25K to walk away and I was not allowed to set up a cash crop grow in the fraser valley/lowermainland … those were the rules and I abided by them. I returned to growing in 2015 and in that 10 year absence I paid the weed community no attention and got my bud from trusted sources. So joining the online community for the first time in 2015 was quite overwhelming.
I have reached out to some folks about the plants from back then but no luck sourcing them. It is that hashplant I am after and I often wonder if that little bitch had a hand in the OG kush story. She was the strongest and stinkiest weed around and you only got access to it if you were affilliated with the bikers. When I was given that plant I was told to share the clone with no one… the blueberry and NL5 didn’t come with those strings attached.
The blueberry I think I have tracked down and it is the fraser valley blueberry hashplant or the mother of it. The NL and the hashplant still elude me but that hashplant is my holy grail plant.
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Damn… @SHSC-1 whatta story. Pretty falked up. So many elite cuts lost with similar stories. Guess this is partially why clones are now shared far and wide. When its gone…. Its gone. Glad you are still here to share your story. Thanks.
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OGKB is a pheno of cookies.
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Neutron lights = “NL1 & NL2” according to Greg.
I’m not trying to trash the man’s line, I grew it before, it was ok. This is more of trying to keep facts straight in a curvy road of misinformation.
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You say that like it’s a fact. Nobody knows for sure
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You don’t think it’s possible for something to exist that wasn’t on the forums? I have literally hundreds of varieties that have never been mentioned on any forum. But I can guarantee that they do exist. And no I don’t believe anything from the cookie fam
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