search for my posts on this subject, and read the threads by heritagefarms. He has a good history of all the OG cuts.
Before it was circulated as cuts and known as OG, the line was originally an offshoot of emerald triangle greenbud.
the earliest origins of the line were family farmers growing seeds from import bud and local black market bud. in the 70s and 80s most grows were guerilla and partially seeded.
Many unique lines crosspollinated in this isolated microclimate and began to form a unique polyhybrid line adapted to those coastal growing conditions. Hence the name ocean grown.
This is why the line was beloved by emerald triangle and bay area growers, as well as southern california growers.
Yea everybody has slightly different taste and more often then not people have very vague taste perception. Most responses I get are either sweet, sour, gas, fruity or floral when I’m the type to be like predominantly sour with a hint of vanilla and sandalwood upon exhale leaving faint notes reminiscent of a mid summers breeze
I’m just speaking from my experience with the Chems and Diesels. All seemed and grew similar so I stopped growing them. I really don’t know what to believe to be honest (with the background history) and would like to grow out some possible original OG/TK emerald triangle green bud or whatever lol
And for the record when I was a medical/caregiver/grower back in the mid 2000’s everything I was growing were all clones. All of the Chems and Diesels and OG’s were from either Oaksterdam University, Dark Heart Nursery, or Harborside… never grew any seed versions and back then seeds weren’t as popular. Shit my first BOG plant was a clone from Dark Heart Nursery
Very much like wine, the grower/drier has everything to do with the finished product. The same exact cultivars (cuts, they’re all clones) are used yet every brand/year (even bottles within the same brand) will taste different. Cabernet Sauvignon grows grown in the same area, one winery right next to another, will make wine that tastes different.
yeah I remember it was really uncommon for people to give or sell seeds in the bay area at that time.
I grew everything in clone form, everything I had came from harborside and a few private collectives.
edit- my first BOG plants came from a collective in Shasta CA. growers in the mountains loved bog’s lines. I never was able to get any of his seeds while he was around but I’ll always remember growing those cuts.
Soil profiles and weather play a incredibly huge role in phenotypic expression as do harvest time and proper drying and storage methods. This is more of a variable with some strains then others but until you have grown a plant in a multitude of different locations and environmental conditions it’s hard to accurately tell somebody else what to expect, especially if there environment is vastly different then your own. I originally grew bubba kush as a tester for some people who wanted to see what part of the state it would do best in before they invested in additional grows. We found out that regardless of the grow medium , nutrients or tempature the bubba kush grown at higher elevations came out better. When I say higher elevations we were comparing indoor hydroponic grown under the same lights and nutrients , same room temp etc with a elevation difference of 300 feet above sea level compared to around 3000 ft above see level , I wanted to do a indoor higher up like 5-6k above see level but haven’t had the chance.
Were you controlling for all atmospheric pressure variances as well? There’s a tremendous difference in plants’ transpiration rates based on the VPD (vapor pressure deficit) which would definitely be influenced by altitude, unless you’re specifically controlling for it. Some of the boring (or fascinating, depending on your attitude) math explaining is below:
This realy depends on where you looked , there was a guy in the Bay Area , San Jose to be exact who sold seeds for $1 each with a 100 min order for many many years. He was around long before and after harborside ever existed , I know of several people who got there original genetics from him and some who started whole seed companies buying in bulk and re selling his gear. There were a lot of people pushing seeds in the early medical days but they lost out in popularity to clones so the seeds started to disappear and become harder and harder to get. There was also massive secrecy around the source of genetics back then as the feds had a habit of going after people who were helping the movement move. There was the guy in San Jose , California bean bank , equilibrium , bog, and some of the other original forum bean slingers and a few others but everybody wanted clones while I was hoarding seeds from everywhere I could get them. Look at some of equilibriums original lines , or some of what Bodhi was first working with. A huge amount of these people probably originally got lines from heavens stairway or other over seas banks before it became such red flag item and a lot were connected to old school growers with seed lines going back to the 60s and seventies when the scene was realy getting started.
this is %100 true, I just never had those connections. A friend who grew up in humboldt was closely involved with some of the pioneer growers who had been working that land since the 60s and had access to stuff I can still only dream of.
He learned from them how to grow in that climate and make the most of the land that had been in his family for years. I used to get my bud from him back in the day. The lines from his mentors that he learned to grow with are still the most amazing and memorable bud I have ever smoked.
He went on to found a very successful legalized company that farms and produces rosin.
This is exactly what I was talking about , these were indoor grow rooms with controlled tempature and humidity , reservoirs temps, reverse osmosis water filtration , controlled co2 levels, nutrients and veg times with clones taken from the same mother. Oxygen molecules are a different size based on the elevation so even if the co2 levels are the same the size of the oxygen molecule itself is different and the stomata on the plants must be adjusting for that which would change the evaporative rates of the plant and there for change its metabolism and phenotypic expression. So even though the plants had the same environment and food they made different use of it based on how the plants were reacting to the difference in the oxygen molecules, at least that was my final theory there is probably still non accounted for variables at play in some shape or form.
Yep. After a few generations of that, if seeds are being produced, you’d have an entirely different strain due to epigenetic shift; with clones, you’re just going to run into different expressions based on the environment. I do wonder whether there would be any difference in a pressurized room at high altitudes, with all the other variables controlled for… far beyond my abilities to experiment with, but it does make me curious. Hopefully with legalization we get more answers as more money comes in, that’s the one of the nice things about it despite all the corporate money-grubbers who come for the ride.
Yeah I only knew a few people from back then up there but the main lines they were working with were a pure Kona gold from the seventies , Hindu Kush and a Hindu /skunk . We heard talks of northern lights, skunk and big bud but dident know those people. I used to get and grow a lot of salmon creek big bud and different blueberry lines along with the some stuff that came out of Big Sur and sant Cruz, more times then not we didn’t know what it was just where it came from and then if seeds were found they were cherished and grown or kept for the future. I’m from a very small redneck mtn town and most of what was local was Mexican brick weed or Columbian aka red hair sensi. The only time we got good weed somebody would literally drive to the north coast or Santa Cruz and hang out on the beach until somebody offered to sell you some herb. There was also a crap ton of Turkish weed around my area that looked amazing but smelled and tasted so much like dirty feet you couldn’t smoke it with out dry heaving. I knew some old cowboy types that would smoke it while drunk but I could never understand how. It was almost black it was so purple and it realy was horrid vomit tasting weed.
I would love nothing more then to spend all my time testing things like that and exploring strains for new and potentially medicinal substances. The trick is finding the plants with those substances and then learning what environment will result in the highest production of what your after.
@Heritagefarms off topic so I apologise but I never hear anyone mention PCG, I have a bunch of their seeds in the vault but haven’t been able to get back to Aus to pick them up due to covid. My friend who had a booth at Spannabis near theirs recommended them highly so that’s why I grabbed the packs.
Have you grown out any of their stuff? It looks like they do great work so would love to hear your feedback.
There was a lot of weed going around Cali back then. When I was getting into the weed scene in the 90’s in San Jose actually, it was all mainly White Widow, ATF, and yea Hindu Kush or Skunk…
I remember shoulder tapping in 1997 at Capitola Liquors and some grower dude gave me and a friend some of the best weed I’ve had to this date (but I was young) and he said it was White Widow.
Sometimes you would find “bammer” but it was pretty much some Jack ass selling it 2 days after he picked it to try to profit off wet weight.
Then sometime around 98-00 Trainwreck blew up and maybe 2003 GDP or Purple Urkle with all purple buds blew up.
They’re fire as hell and way undergrown by us growers. A little pricey but You won’t find anything but fire from PCG. I get a lot of my breeder cuts from PCG. I miss their candyland and medusa
Thanks for the info @WeTokeChronic I’ve heard nothing but good things just not here on the forum. Do you have any journals or pictures you can link me to of your PCG grows? I would love to check them out
Hopefully with legalization we get more answers as more money comes in, that’s the one of the nice things about it despite all the corporate money-grubbers who come for the ride.
You won’t find anything but fire from PCG. I get a lot of my breeder cuts from PCG. I miss their candyland and medusa