Oni's 2nd grow. Lessons learned

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MOTR grows with OniTenshu

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Finally right?:rofl:
I have more lights too, but Iā€™m working on getting them safely wired. Iā€™m already looking at the electric tape on the point where the QB is powered and how close it is to steamā€‹:sweat_smile: Iā€™ll probably be spending any other cash I can manage to scrape together for the new soil on wagos and wire nuts. After that money goes to a rail to set these all up neatly without wires going everywhere. Also to get the tent ready for the eventual 16 QB 120 build. One day I get myself a par meter too, but priorities :sweat_smile:

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Hit me up in PM Iā€™ll get you an assortment of wagos and wire nuts bro.

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The 7 gallon pots arrived. Now I have to get that new soil soon. Zelda, GSC, and Indigo all need a new home soon. Good thing I have the home, and now Iā€™ll need the rest.

Itā€™ll probably take a week or so, but Iā€™ll get it done ASAP. Hopefully before the 3rd as I can get 20% off my order and free shipping if I can get it. I may go to GameStop and see whatā€™s worth anything. Itā€™ll be at least a year before I bother to save up for my Xbox if by then I want to anymore. Tbh I only used it for shows the last 2 years, so I may just get a Roku or something instead.

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Pics taken. Growth definitely seems to not care much about the roots reaching the bottom.
Indigo is starting to grow again, so now that the focus isnā€™t on spreading the roots down Iā€™ll be seeing growth pick up.

Can someone help me to understand whatā€™s happening there? Was my VPD that bad that they stopped working on veg growth and went to roots? I assumed I had stressed them out, but now I see that growth never stopped at all in the soil.

Actually better question is how should I water them now?:sweat_smile: I feel like from the bottom may risk root rot, but IDK. I just want the soil to not get drenched to not be dry, and I donā€™t trust my soil completely yetā€‹:sweat_smile:
Maybe one day after Iā€™ve turned it into a supersoil, but rn itā€™s just stuck with issues I donā€™t know how to fix.

I will say it seems removing the corncobs did stunt growth for a little bit. They had definitely gotten used to a environment with a higher blue light ratio.

Now itā€™s white light with a blacklight glow. Took me awhile to recognize that color :joy: I havenā€™t used a blacklight in bright light in a long time.

I did notice that the light isnā€™t all blended yet or I managed to get a peek at the ratio of light colors reflected on a prism. So far I see each light color separated at the same width without one line larger than another. Apparently diamond pattern mylar will act like a prism sometimes, but I wouldnā€™t expect it to be accurate unless told otherwise.

Those are just white hairs that apparently got knocked off onto a leaf. Probably from yesterday when I was moving everything to take pics
Diana

Daisey

Zelda

GSC

Indigo

Group Shot

Hygrometer

Garlic


The garlic is probably going to die, but Iā€™m not going to cry over it. Iā€™ll just compost it in the soil and when itā€™s finished I may do a test grow using my old soil with the knowledge I have now. Just veggies, but itā€™ll let me have a outside grow and see how I can fix that soil without lab testing.

Tbh that soil is just for fun now as Iā€™ve given up on it for cannabis any time soon. Maybe next year after Iā€™ve worked with it better, but not this year.

Also thanks for the help everyone. I never expected Iā€™d get where I am now with my shit soil. I just donā€™t have the budget to get new soil every grow, so Iā€™ve been looking at living organics and other sustainable growing practices. Itā€™s a initial investment, but it pays off not having to buy soil every few months. A bag of compost here and there is one thing, but 4 cubic feet of soil every few months will get expensive of I canā€™t get a way to cut costs without compromising much if at all.

Damn I havenā€™t smoked todayšŸ˜… I guess thatā€™s just a part of me LoL. Just because I talk strange doesnā€™t mean Iā€™m high. I wonā€™t call them out, but you know who you are. I get really excited and I canā€™t hold back the energy. Severe ADHD is a stronger energy boost than anything Iā€™ve ever taken. For those who know meds 200mg Seroquel and 10mg Clonidine were my 2x daily regimen for nearly 18 years. Hopefully that helps explain why I lean towards indica over sativa. I donā€™t need the energy from sativa at all. Iā€™d rather avoid it like the plague TBH as it just makes me feel uncomfortably energetic when thereā€™s no CBD present. In the first place I smoke to mellow out not get high. Iā€™m constantly high from a energy boost. My ADHD is qualified as autism now according to the new classification they did a couple years ago on it and the effect it has in cb2 receptors.

So again just because I seem high AF doesnā€™t mean Iā€™ve smoked that day at all. Maybe Iā€™m one of the few who just are high by default, but itsote likely I eat, drink, and interact in just the right way to feel that sensation in my temples nearly always. As a whole without cannabis this just gets worse, so Iā€™ll cut myself off here and dab. I have to shut off the rapid thoughts before I say something stupid from talking too much.

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Multiple thingsā€¦
The tent is too big for the equipment you have
The corncob lights were too far away to really do much except teasing them so they are effectively stunted
There are too many plants for the amount of light you currently have, yes even with the upgrade
Their soil may be ideal for veggies though not for cannabisā€¦kinda like trying to grow cucumbers in cactus soil
Quadrupling the Megacrop locked out whatever available nutrients they have
They are now in repair mode appreciating the most recent changes and are reflecting that

Typically, roots will grow 1st before top growth is seenā€¦these not only feed the plant but also help anchor it so the plant will stop growing and/or shed the leaves it cannot sustain if the issue isnā€™t promptly corrected. When you see roots elongating like they are instead of spreading out, they usually are in search of water and/or foodā€¦this isnā€™t always a bad thing :wink: More roots = more fruits :stuck_out_tongue:

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Good sign for indigo I guess. My only saving grace Iā€™d that these are photos. Just Daisey and Diana are autos. Itā€™s definitely clear I didnā€™t end up with the impossible f1 auto with Zelda. Once I have them setup Iā€™ll do what I can. I know I donā€™t have enough light intensity TBH. As is itā€™s not any different for watts used from the corncobs, but at least the light is directed at the plants this timešŸ˜…

Seriously though. Murphyā€™s lawā€‹:sweat_smile: I should have gotten a smaller tent, but then Iā€™d need to buy a new one after that Iā€™d wager. As annoying as it is Iā€™d rather work out a large tent issue over not having a tent again once they got too big :sweat_smile:

If I start going AWOL for a few days I probably found myself a job to get shit done. Soon I wonā€™t need to use the humidifier anymore and I can just LITFA once the environment isnā€™t the worst possible one I could give themšŸ˜…
Still Iā€™ll have to leave the city to look for work. I burnt my bridges here for anything Iā€™m close to

Iā€™m learning how to tune my environment in my apartment and not just my tent. If itā€™s too dry in here theyā€™ll only get dry air coming in the tent. If the floor is ice cold from the weather theyā€™ll get cold roots like they had up until this week. I donā€™t remember if I mentioned it, but warm environment or not the floors are ice in here with no hot water pumping through my pipes. Apparently everyone who has hot water has no idea that it also warms your floors usually too just buy the nature of not being a frosty cold pipe with 40f and below temp water making the area around it cooler. Thermodynamics people :sweat_smile: never forget your elementary science lessons.

I measured the water at itā€™s coldest from my tap and itā€™s around 57f in my pipes rn. Not bad at all, but I had to set my heat to 70f for that. It was at 75-77f while the plants were growing. Iā€™m actually about to figure out a way to add a blanket under my tent when I find one that wonā€™t cause issues with leveling knocking over anything.

Currently my floors are 68.8f so that may explain why Iā€™m seeing better growth also. Too many things this grow went wrong, but thatā€™s what this grow was about. Learning lessons is priceless and I canā€™t do it without first-hand experience.

My personality type does stupid things when Iā€™m stressed. At peak stress I actually reach a near fugue state. Idk whatā€™s wrong with me therešŸ˜… seriously though in that state of mind Iā€™m one trigger away from just breaking. Itā€™s already bad enough in those times I canā€™t think at all. Youā€™d think Iā€™d welcome that, but no itā€™s actually scary having no ability to hear your own thoughts. So far itā€™s happened when someone has been able to help, but when the day comes I donā€™t have someone there I canā€™t even think of whatā€™ll happen when I reach full desperation and snapšŸ˜…

Iā€™ve already hit the invalid stage once. I donā€™t want to go through that again.

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Absolutely!

The intensity is better for what your spending in electricity :wink:

No needā€¦ tarps make excellent walls to section off areaā€™s - Iā€™ll show ya a bit later today when I section off my available space and give the dimensions we will be working with :wink:

Honestly, that would be awesome for you to lower stress levels with so much happening at once
((((fingers crossed))))

See, when I am stressed my thoughts speed up which usually leads to insomnia nights though not always. I welcome the times my mind is blank then I can set my emotions to the side, focus and get shit done though not too much as it worries my boys when I attack the house deep cleaning itā€¦cannabis allows me to find that balance :stuck_out_tongue:

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see wish it was that simple for mešŸ˜… I at least knowy pattern though. I get to the racing thought stage pretty fast and since my thoughts are already pretty fast by default Iā€™m looking at instead of 5 racing thoughts I canā€™t focus on at all anyways and they just get out of control, I instead wind up with idk how many strings of thought going so fast I swear my internal voice inhaled helium. The best way to describe it is fast forward while on play. Same thoughts, but way faster and I canā€™t hear them once I get overwhelmed and effectively become a potato. Emotions ate still fully present, but no longer can I use my head to process them and I get anything at full blast with no wall to stop the flow.

Cannabis helps a lot, but thatā€™s because it can clear my mind without taking away my ability to think for myself. If I was in a different era Iā€™d be considered clinically insane. Iā€™d for sure be one of those people who shut down and just never talk or do anything. People usually need heavy meds to become a Ritalin zombie. I just have to have a panic attack cycling into severe depression.

And people wonder why some autistics donā€™t speak. Coming from someone who does understand and have been there itā€™s sometimes from being overstimulated to a point your brain canā€™t process all the stimili without shutting down non-essential function.

My narcoleptic tendencyā€™s stem from this BTW. If I donā€™t sleep Iā€™ll try and kill myself or burn a bridge I canā€™t repair. though occasionally I just pass out from overload standing up. One time I hugged someone and just passed out immediately with no warning.

If I donā€™t smoke Iā€™m like Chris Farley, but I donā€™t do coke at all or any hard drugs. My brain is just wired that way and the depression makes me find any way to enjoy life in denial of my worsening mental health.

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Tbreaks suck, but Iā€™ll just keep from talking about my drama as Iā€™ll just hit a lot of nerves and say too muchšŸ˜…

Iā€™ll be up for the next few days with a couple hours of sleep a day at best while my body remembers how to sleep again. There has got to be a gas station hiring at least :sweat_smile: until I can lift more than 40lbs with my legs again without an adrenaline rush I wonā€™t be able to work manual labor. My lower back makes my legs freak out for a week after I lift something 80lbs or more. Even when I can get my random boosts of strength it still takes its toll on my body. Bones will still compress with a minimum amount of weight on my body. The weight still travels through the back even if you lift with your legs. I canā€™t control the muscles near my tailbone and that makes it impossible to not lift with my lower back no matter what. I have to workout when I can get more food to force that section to be permanently tense or Iā€™m stuck at easy jobs I donā€™t need to lift more than 20lbs forā€‹:sweat_smile: they donā€™t pay well. Iā€™ll need to work on that ASAP. Before I was working at the job I had in 2017-2018 I could lift 90lbs without much effort. Now that much makes my vision fade from the edges if I try. Iā€™ve had MRI and a x-ray, but no hint at whatā€™s wrong. If I had to guess itā€™s my muscles and ligaments and not the bones, but what do I know? Iā€™m only dealing with the pain of a constantly shifting spine that makes my legs not receive signals properly when I get a flare-up.

Wow apparently I canā€™t stop even if I try toā€‹:sweat_smile: when Iā€™m not stressed so much I canā€™t handle everything I try to work through what I can. I think after putting it in words I really have to figure out what I can do to keep my back from warping too bad and get the muscles defined. Luckily Iā€™m halfway there and stress gives me abs and back abs. Squats next to work on the area thatā€™s in constant pain. Itā€™ll be the worst until theyā€™re realigned :sweat_smile: my lowest column sorta vanished one day and I can feel my spine. I donā€™t touch that area anymore and itā€™s always covered up from the column above to keeps pressure off the area or I risk biting my tongue

Okay drama aside now that my edible I didnā€™t finish last night has kicked in Iā€™m feeling much better. Too bad itā€™s not reliable or Iā€™d always have them.
As you can see I have issues Iā€™m not able to work on safely without cannabis. Itā€™s actually the only reason Iā€™m allowed to grow here other than the electricity cost is negligible. That spike they noticed I can guarantee isnā€™t from me LoL :rofl: if they see a spike when they use 40-80 kwh a day without trying Iā€™m not taking no for an answer when itā€™s my only electricity cost thatā€™s basically the same as it always was when I played Xbox all day to escape my problems for a couple hours at a time. Maybe the one whoā€™s arc welding could be why the usage speed just saying. Throughout the grow heā€™s been in the garage working on shit down there. Also the pool runs on my breaker. Nothing I use is above 300w until I need to use my 1650w microwave/convection oven. My fridge is clearly not pulling whatever amount it used either anymore, so effectively with all the electricity use I canā€™t use if I wanted to anymore Iā€™ve more than offset my usage to even lower than before I started growing. With the fridge off Iā€™m looking at about 15 a month now instead of 30 a month. Before I started growing I was sitting at 50-200 a month. I could always be spiteful and go back to energy inefficient lights, but thatā€™s a dick move and wonā€™t get me anywhere.

The reason they were hesitant to let me grow this time was because I did too well last time as far as the smell goesšŸ˜… those 4 plants stunk up a 7,914 square foot lot area including the 2,040 square feet the house itself is. My apartment is just around 350 square footage in this house. Very small overall, but bigger tann the tiny apartments around here and itā€™s free, so I shouldnā€™t really complain outside of when Iā€™m not allowed to shower that day and I can smell my sweatšŸ˜… I canā€™t wait for summer. Cold showers will feel so nicešŸ˜

Anyways hereā€™s the update for lights out. Darker pics are 3000k white balance to see what the zmeans are adding on top of the QB 3000k.

Diana

Daisey

Zelda

GSC

Indigo

Group Shot

Hygrometer

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I forgot to take lights on pics.

Instead hereā€™s the 12 hours after lights on picsšŸ˜…

So I made note that Indigo is definitely making trichomes. Either female or frosty male.
GSC is starting to make the shiny dots tooā¤ļø

Garlic might just end up decomposing in the soilšŸ˜… could be worse. Garlic should feed it well.

Diana

Daisey

Zelda

GSC

Indigo

Group Shots

Hygrometer

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I removed the garlic from the tent and filled the pot with soil from the soil outside that just defrosted the permafrost layer. I mixed it up with a tablespoon of gypsum, a tablespoon of Epsom salt, some ewc, and some fish fertilizer. I mixed it all up and itā€™s sitting near my windowsill to settle and show me what Iā€™m working with when itā€™s warm. This is just an experiment for me as I love garlic and if this works Iā€™ll just let it fill the 3 gallon pot. If not ah well I tried.

Still working on new soil, but when I head out tomorrow I can see what I can do to earn some extra cash.

The soil outside has been behaving completely different than the soil in the tent and itā€™s the same soil, but Iā€™ve noticed that the one in the bin does appear to drain well, retain water to moist level, and the topayer dries slowly. I really wish that soil wouldnā€™t be a wasted purchase as it looks so dark and anything I put in the bin outside just grows regardless. I did mix in leaf mold and poured in my excess nute water in the bin over the last few months. It feels and looks like the soil microbiology is alive and well in it. I just wish I knew why itā€™s not the same in my pots. Itā€™s not like itā€™s not in a container out there :sweat_smile: itā€™s in a storage bin with some holes in the bottom for drainage.

Itā€™s a mystery to me why itā€™s not even close to the same indoors, but Iā€™ll get this fixed one day. Iā€™ll just let it continue to break down and decompose the materials inside it. Maybe in a few years once itā€™s all amended and loamy, but not any time soon for another cannabis plant if I can help it.

Anyways hereā€™s a pic of the garlic. First tbreak day sucksšŸ˜…

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On a better note my w2 came today. I forgot I even qualified to get a return :rofl: well I guess I have a few extra bucks, bit not really much Iā€™ll bet. Iā€™ll be lucky if I get 100 this time.

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Every little bit helps :slight_smile:

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Iā€™ll be using it to get soil, more megacrop, and if I have enough left Iā€™ll get the aluminium L bars to make a rack.

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Itā€™s time to clean my fan. Itā€™s caught a decent amount of dust before it reaches my prefilter for the carbon filter.

I moved the fan away from the plants as I was uncomfortable with a big fan however low power almost touching them while blowing air directly on them. Itā€™s facing the wall now and the humidifier is in front of it also.

Charging up my phone before pics per usual.

Iā€™ll be watering Indigo and GSC from the bottom of the container now as they work better that way and theyā€™re small enough I can do it. I have no idea how to do the same with the fabric pots though :grimacing: I donā€™t have a dish big enough and Iā€™m sure I canā€™t soak more than 1 pot in the same mix. Idk, but anyone who can chime in and help, itā€™s much appreciated. Iā€™m tired of watering from the top to find out it all left the pot until I soak it too wet.

Actually I might be able to fit a pot in a old Vegetable crisper drawer Iā€™m clearly not needing in my fridge anymore :sweat_smile:

The soil is almost dry enough to water, but Iā€™ll give it another day. Soaking indigo and GSC at lights on and LITFA from there until Iā€™m needed again.

Daisey has started to enter flower officially. Finally getting little strawberries finally :heart_eyes:

Indigo has already drank up the water I gave her earlier. It wasnā€™t a lot. Just enough to soak up to 2" up from the bottom before I poured the water out to free up oxygen on bottom as Iā€™m unsure how long I can safely let the bag sit in water in its dish.

Zelda is still working on her tops even now. Iā€™m not sure if sheā€™s trying for a 5th top or another leaf stem, but something green is bubbling between the 2 smaller tops.

Diana is looking close to the finish line finally eating her fan leaves. Iā€™ve only been giving her water since that last heavy feed. Sheā€™s gone on for awhile and based on the initial estimate of the 27th sheā€™s not behind by a mile at Least. No Amber trichomes visible to the naked eye yet, so Iā€™m not expecting to harvest on the 27th, but who knows. She could surprise mešŸ˜…

GSC is pretty much just the same as always. Not much change in the last couple weeks it seems.
Idk if the garlic kicks it Iā€™ll probably just toss her in the 3 gallon pot I have here in the next few days and if they like it Iā€™ll put them back in the tent after Iā€™ve made sure theyā€™re not going to die on me.

Iā€™ll wait for new soil before I transplant indigo. GSC is a bagseed, so Iā€™m not going to freak out if I have to feed her to Daisey now that Iā€™m out of leaves to medicate her when needed.

Diana

Daisey

Zelda

GSC

Indigo

Group Shots

Hygrometer

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Oh yeah how should I go about flipping to 18/6? I think I remember being told to do it 30 minutes at a time until itā€™s at 18/6.
Trying not to stress out the photosšŸ˜…
They need more sleep now. This is already longer than I had planned to have them in 20/4

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Perspectiveā€¦ I would kill to get even a dollar back as I pay thousands every year come April.

Is it me or does that tall one in the pic seem pissed at the top like itā€™s getting burned or something?

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