Man, such cool photo’s and story…Awesome to see the Roots exposed like this…Today’s corporate world of Marijuana is so sad. It’s people like your family that really started the North American movement. We have similar story’s in this area, with all the draft dodgers that moved here.
One thing has not changed though…The fkn “Rippers”. They are still called that here.
Thank you ver much for sharing Rob…It is very interesting to see this.
Much respect,
K.
amazing story, beautiful photos. I’d love to burn a few with you dr dank and these mid 60’s cannabis pioneers.
it’s awesome tying this story into the genetics in the deep ellum catalog. It’s great that you’re continuing to use their mexican lines and keeping them alive and current within your new hybrids. can’t wait to try that mendo diesel x blue lights.
I love reading about the History of Marijuana, many tales from many people, always grateful to get details from the people in the know.
Thanks for sharing Rob,
Toke@Jetdro
look man, obviously we both know that you won’t able to refute anything, because I am really telling the truth. However, I cant rightly hold it against you either. It’s correct to question things and not take stuff for granted. But this is not one of those instances; there’s too facts supporting my claims. photos (we just unearthed another shoebox full), eye-witnesses from both sides (outlaws and feds), documents and other evidence.
Believe me, i have tried to disprove this. “Due Diligence” is my middle name. as wild as it sounds, it all really happened. We have all this data b/c we’re putting together a book. so we are researching like a motherfucker. day and night man.
I am decent person and I’m willing to concede that you could also be a decent person that perhaps just was having a bad day or something.
So why dont we move forward and be decent.
Let’s sit down together in the Mile High city, have a cold beer and smoke a big ol’ hogleg of some sticky-icky homegrown, like decent people.
I’ll even make u some ice tea if u want.
allow us to present the full un-abridged and un-redacted history to you in a civilized manner.
Take your time and think it over; if you want i can send u some contact info for us.
and if you do come up, bring a case of dublin soda. get a variety of flavours. that will be your toll.
Hey @deep_rob, I just stumbled onto this thread. I read the first post and will save it to savor later… Awesome shit man… I hope I can find some of my old pics from the 70’s but not sure I still have them.
If Jetdro doesn’t come up for a big sticky-icky and some iced tea, I’ll take you up on it!
I’m definitely gonna look you up soon. Or swing on down south here and visit sometime, man. It’s very laid back and very outlaw’ish of sorts. It always was… Wyatt Earp, Bat Masterson, Billy the Kid, Al Capone… I live a few miles out of town in a 125 year old house with about an acre. I usually have some outdoor stuff growing, too.
Anyway, I love the idea of the book. Man, if I were to get with a couple of my old buddies from the mid 70’s I believe we could write a book, too. I’ll buy it when published!
It’s really cool when you see somebody that you know is telling it like it was back then. Looking back, I’m glad we all stuck with it. We won!
Talk at you soon, bro. Shout me up if you get ready to head down this way. I think you have my email, too. or PM.
peace
@GMan Dude, you and your buddies could be a huge help. We know some of our history, but im missing a few pieces to the puzzle…
If u know anyone that was moving product back then, i would to talk to them…
In the least, they could say when they began to see a certain type of weed… such as: when did u first buy sinse, stuff like that… I’m fixing to ask on THCfarmer and also ICmag…
Im looking for anyone involved back then, but especially i need people on the Receiving end, particualry from 1968-1974. people who bought our weed. We sold it in trashbags, 5gallon paint buckets and we also would roll up weed in tarp. All our weed was loose, never compressed.
These a awesome pics! I love looking back at the history and hear stories like this. Thanks for sharing
I may only have one, or even two, guys left to talk to about it. They were my age and we were dealing. We had older friends doing the smuggling. They’re all dead, I believe, my two buddies are still alive as far as I know.
I would actually love to hookup with them both again and re-live some of that stuff. Wild times. One guy went off into the cocaine thing and almost got killed in South Florida when he finally walked away from the life.
I bet I could locate both of them. I haven’t seen one in 30 years maybe and they other about 20 years ago. They would have more knowledge than me as they were dealing with the smugglers when it came to the money.
I know another guy I met later in life who was a life long smuggler, but he was going to the border and sneaking it over to bring back to Alabama. He was a dark sort of dude, and I never wanted to know much more than what he was telling me. I know where his house is but no idea if still alive. I sort of wanted to disassociate with him. He was an old Texas smuggler but he seemed to always be dealing with Mexican weed. He was still driving out and doing it the last time I saw him about 15 years ago.
I may try to dig up my old best friends. They may actually like to be a part of documenting some of that stuff before we lose it. We were dealing mostly red and gold Columbian, and some hash varieties and occasional Thai Sticks. It would be a hoot to sit down with those guys and tell the old stories. We are all lucky to make it past the 70’s.
I’ll let you know if I can find them.
I know this was a long time ago and maybe you guys worked this out. I see that @Jetdro tried to explain himself later in the thread but it didn’t seem to work.
I have witnessed some bad cases of “failure to communicate” on forums before, but this is such a prime example - and it seems it was never resolved?
@deep_rob I don’t blame you for misreading @Jetdro’s intention here. It looks like he is calling your story bullshit, but what he is calling bullshit is Matt’s behaviour. The whole misunderstanding wouldn’t have occurred if @Jetdro had said “What an asshole!..” instead of “Such bullshit…”.
Maybe you guys worked this out already. I dunno. I just hate to see people misunderstand each other this badly and not resolve it. You’re on the same side.
He has never understood what I meant, and even though I have tried through DM, he still thinks I am fighting him.
Thanks for understanding and posting that, but I have given up trying to explain it.
That’s too bad. One little misfire of communication can put someone on the defensive and then no matter what you say they assume you are being a dick.
Frustrating as fuck. I’ve been there. It taught me to choose my words more carefully.
I was really frustrated after my DM to him, but I have let it go and just leave him alone. Not gonna let it bother me anymore.
At some point it is up to the other party to grab the olive branch that you are holding and accept the fact that it was a complete misunderstanding. Some people simply aren’t capable of that - or it just takes a really long time.
wanna pass that over here?.. 
Think that damn branch needs to be passed around …
I read it right and thought he took you wrong. @deep_rob cool bro I believe you and think you are just putting the pieces together, so am just going point out a few things that might help.
I think Sam turned up in dam 1985 so if your family took seeds to dam in 1973 that’s more than a year.
And it’s widely believed that cannabis was introduced to the Americas with the early Spanish settlers who also bought moorish people with them. That by no means means there was not a cannabis plant growing in Sinaloa 1000 years ago as birds migrating can carry cannabis.
Sacred seeds was created in 1938 supposedly and there work goes back way further than Sam that’s for sure.
Maybe they weren’t breeding back in the earlier days not sure. But I’m sure it doesn’t really matter as you don’t sound like your in it for that. Good luck and I’ll have a look at your offerings.
I was only born in 1976 so my research is secondary not primary, I just have an interest in the history and culture of weed
Amazing story, and absolutely an history to be proud of!
The old photos gave me the chills! 
Yeah been there too just suck it up and put it down to experience.
I know I was smoking unseeded pot in the sixties not sure where it was from but was told it was Mexican . But it was growing all over Northern California in the seventies . We purchased seedless in the Santa Cruz area around Bear Creek in the early 70s and state of the art indoor Georgetown Divide late 70s .
@gramps First I want to thank you for your service and (I assume) many sacrifices that you have made over the decades in this awful drug war. Anyone who willing chose to disobey the unjust and racist-ass laws, and became involved in the illicit drug trade, is a hero in my book. Its because of efforts of front line soldiers such as yourself, that I am able to grow weed legally in Colorado today. Thank you for fighting the good fight. One day, after its legal everywhere, the world will come to revere pioneers such yourself… until then, I tip my hat to you sir.
i knew that if i posted publically, that eventually someone from the old days would see this and chime in. people doubted me, but I said it would work… thank you for proving me right, lol.
I have some questions for you; u can skip my ramblings, and scroll down to those at the bottom if u want to man…
we;’ve dug up a bit more since I last posted… and I’ve since been corrected about a few minor things and learned more… but we’re still lacking big chunks of history, especially any info from the people who received our ganja. We met one dude from California who moved weight of our gear; he retired long ago, and is over 80 years old, but he wont talk on the record. Citing paranoia.
There just is not any solid detailed info on the period of 1965-1974 on the internet. Most references, like books and essays put sinse in cali “in the 70’s”… the only time I could find a specific date was out of some lady’s book on humbolt, saying it was 1974 when the emerald triangle started putting out sinse. However, IDK if she meant that they had some sinse that only reached inner circles, or if they were blowing it up and flooding the streets with major-league bulk commercial sinse. Probably the former.
dr dank and I had pretty much given up, or at least, shelved the idea of reaching the bottom of,
if/how the our old crew fit into anything, or anything…
we hit a brick wall, and got as far as we could with tracking down our old timers…
the ones who didnt get wacked or hadn’t had died of old age, had gone off the grid or in the case of a couple, flat-out refused to talk to us about anything involving weed. for various reasons, but all amounting to good old fashioned paranoia.
we even reached out to other people… old timers outside of our group’s old crew…
, i told robert clarke, asked him about his earliest recollections but he wasnt much help… he never answered my questions, saying he was too young.
he was curious though and was said tell me more… so i laid it all out there,
like, way more detail than I have ever posted publically here… like trusted info… but he never replied back after that, and our convo abruptly ended.
i never heard from him again.
i dont know how the interpret that. i think the story was so fantastical that he probably thought i was pulling his leg… or he is content with Sam’s narrative… which varies depending on what year/time-period that sam wrote it or said it…
whatever Clarke’s reasons, his sudden ghosting of me stung, because he was someone i looked up to… oh well.
then another dude, some big hemp dude in the pacNW, who is famous but I cant remember his name and don’t feel like looking it up… he was telling me about his crew, who used to run grass out jewlry stores on the rez…
so i say, Wow that’s crazy, because my people used to sell herb to jewelry people on the rez. i said we still have some pieces of jewelry that we got…
handmade native american jewelry from the early 1970’s is very unique. If it was from his people maybe he could identify it…
so, i sent him some pix of the jewelry, and immediately our conversations abruptly ended. he never replied after the pix and I never heard back from him again
I dont know what that means.
so anyway, we sort of gave up the idea of some oldtimer helping to illuminate the journey of our weeds…
So, dude, you certainly peaked my interest… tales like yurs can help immensely…
@gramps :
So you can attest to seeing cali-grown sinse on the commerical market prior to 1974? It was common? Or was it only sold in inner circles? Generally all the records speak of when it became mainstream and common to find, as being post-1974…
U say u bought sinse in early 70’s in bear creek?.. do u recall what year exactly and who sold it to you? .Did they grow it themselves? Can u get ahold of them? Can u ask where u they got their seeds from and who taught them to grow? Was the bear creek grow considered a “commerical operation”?
what did the sinse look like? like i mean, was it a wild equatorial landrace, or was it an early hybrid?
how much did it cost for a lid? if u happened to see bulk sinse, how was it packaged?
Our forefathers perffered methods for packaging bulk was trashbags and paint buckets.
if it was imported, was it grown stateside or south of the border?
the people we dealt with were bulk buyers and brokers who dealt in large amounts.
if your sinse dealer was the sort guy who would buy a pound at a time,
he probably wouldnt have come into contact with our people directly.
Every single person I have spoken to or read their words that was active at that time, says mainstream commercial cali-grown weed was shit prior to 1973-ish. Unkempt, wild-ass equatorial sativas, harvested way too early and full of seeds. I do agree there were probably small pocket(s) of people growing badass shit… ie: Sacred making Romulan in 1953… Like, if u knew the right dude who had a few plants in his backyard, u could get the good shit, but all the commonly-available mainstream weed that was cali grown, was trash. It only got better when the massive commercial farms started growing different weed and growing it differently. from what i have gathered…
If you saw badass sinse weed in the 60’s, you’d be the first one ive encountered to say that… What year and where did it see it? Was it cali-grown or imported? U say it was mexican? From American states or from mexico? What was the price for an ounce (lid)? How common was it?
I really really really appreciate you taking the time to chime in and read. I look forward to yur responses. Cheers sir!