You got your analysis done by Logan Labs, right? That was the same thing they said about my soil, that it was lacking manganese. They also said it was super high in sodium, not too sure how that happened, since I don’t even really “feed” my plants. And I definitely don’t use any kind of salt-based fertilizers.
How are you gonna add the manganese to your soil? Isn’t that something that has to be mixed in dry? You can’t just water that in, can you?
Once I got my soil analysis back (this was like maybe three years ago), I just threw the soil in the planter in my backyard and started over, mostly because it would’ve taken like 200 gallons of water to flush the salt out of the soil. I did buy the manganese, though, just never used it. You only need a tiny bit; I felt like it was gonna be really difficult to be certain it was being mixed in evenly throughout my soil bins.
Yes it was Logan Labs. I didn’t get recommendations, so I am learning as I go.
I’ll be watering the MnSO4 in with fulvic/lactic/amino acids. I’ll get another test before I plant the next round and see what my adjustments have done.
Is that something you have to pay extra for? Once I got my analysis, I just emailed the dude (can’t remember his name) and asked him questions haha. He was super-helpful and responded quickly.
I have really high salts outdoors from my tap water. It doesnt seem to effect my plants as they are all perfect looking. Really nothing I can do about it outside. Not sure the salts cause too much issue, but of course outside is a very large volume of soil. My amendment guy had suggested using rain water or filtering all of my water which is impossible.
Do you use any kelp meal in your containers/worm bin or for top dressing? I’ve heard some sources of kelp aren’t necessarily washed well and can contain large amounts of sodium.
Interesting indeed. Curious what you added to your soil in the beginning and later on. Too much worm castings and other things like fish bone meal can jack the sodium up.
I think I am dealing with both. There are some signs that are not explained by a deficiency such as the obtuse angle on the branching, woody stems, and overlapping limbs.
Meesh, I looked back at your recommendation for this year. You also had a low Mn value and you were recommended 1 lb / 1000 ft² of MnSO4. By my math thats about 1 gram per gallon of soil.
Stuff like that is why I buy the amendments mixed per my test. Seriously, what in the heck would I do with say an entire pound of it when I need trace elements? Maybe just a micronute foliar on your end from time to time? It’s probably pricey just for a few grams of Mn
Yeah, I figured it was from the kelp in my soil. And I did sometimes topdress with kelp, although just a tablespoon or two when I transplanted into the flowering containers. I would’ve assumed, though, that after a few cycles the salts in the kelp would be flushed away naturally just from repeated waterings. But I guess not.
@Meesh I use RO water, so I figure the salt levels were minimal.
These are all signs of HLV? Woody stems, phosphorus uptake pH block? Leaves overlap from nutrient block at pH above 7.0, could the same thing be happening with branches instead of and or leaves? obtuse angles… plants adjusting to multiple light directions? What? I’m perplexed too Did the HLV become a option because of hops and cannabis being related?
The only real way to tell is from testing. Its expensive, and remediation through tissue culture is even more so. Remember, these are issues I’ve been chasing with my mother plants in veg for over a year. I have used three different nutrient brands trying to correct any issues. The best course of action is simply eliminating the possible source.
Yes. HpLVd came from hops because they are closely related. It is something that is running rampant in the cannabis community. Read the links I posted earlier for more info.
Oh, I forgot to mention that my dad’s last two grows and my brother’s last two grows were shit. Both different environments and nutrient regimines. They both get their clones from me.
Woody stems are a symptom of phosphorus block? Thats a new one, P is also quite available at pH of 7.2…
Very aware of HLV problems in all cannabis communities around the world, I hope your resolution works out.
Changes of pH of soils following topdressing with different phosphate fertilisers. above this rise of pH, topdressing with ammonium phosphate increased the pH by about 0.5 units in both soils.
Sooo if the phosphorus upped the pH from what it was, being a primary for stem growth, blocked equals woody stems.
I’m still not understanding what you are trying to tell me. Got a reference for this quote? I’m not using phosphate fertilizers at all. There is plenty of P in my mix (624 #/ac), and at a pH where it is still available (7.2).
Hold on… wait a minute… let me put some OG in it. I’m on lunch so this reply should be more coherent. I watched your CBD thread, excellent work. I talked with you briefly during the hops as a cannabis growing additive and was looking into HLVd At apsjournals. All of the information pointed to transmission sources being cutting tools, you run a high tech kick ass grow and everything you post looks clean. The deeper I went, the worse it got, the runt’d stunted growth problem behind the spread of the viroid. With the knowledge that your brother and dad are having the same problems, your definitely correct. The scientific conclusion of what it takes eradicate the viroid is extreme, my personal thought on the matter is that your forge’n a path to a better way to take care of the problem.
I apologize for interjaculating, on the pH phosphorus comments… I was hoping that it was something besides HLVd. I would never surmise that I have anything to tell you, I do rather enjoy conversing with you.
You could be onto something, the viriod does block uptake pathways. It could be the P uptake pathway is disrupted by the viroid rather than pH. Then that could causes the woody stems. I wish I were wrong on this. I have been in denial for a while now.
Did the HLV become a option because of hops and cannabis being related?
