Breeders misrepresenting what they have? Par for the course, dawg. That I know already.
Get specific. Which breeders are doing this, how are they doing this, yada yada.
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I have 1000ās of f2 Godfather OG seeds I would love to give away to the ones struggling with thisā¦Itās is a MTG geneticā¦I know of a video on YouTube that can explain how you can breed recessive genesā¦give me time to find it and Iāll post the link.
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Thatās all Iām after, is how itās doneā¦ not trying to come at anyone or anything, just got a thirst for knowledge
Thatās why I was asking @OleReynard cause heās said heās been doing it in the 80ās and still sometimes to certain Genetics.
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Msg me. Iād like to trade.
What Reynard is suggesting is absolutely possible with a f*^k ton of space , time , and experience with selective breeding. Def NOT being done by any of the usual suspects reversing or pollinating the latest clone onlys.
It is done in the vegetable world , hence why most production farmers grow what is known as hybrids , that do not produce viable seeds and have to buy their seed each year.
As for the rules for making F2 seeds to trade , they are whatever rules a person wants to follow. There could be tons or their could be none. It is entirely up to the person doing the F2ing .
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A breeder I know out of Colorado said to me, once his beans are in some elseās hands, they are free to do whatever they like, just as JBeezy told him when he asked permission to breed Billy Idol. I agree.
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They grow hybrids because of hybrid vigor. The benefits of which outweigh the cost of buying seed rather than saving it. Itās just economics. More uniform plants, disease resistance, bigger yields, etc.
There isnāt some crazy secret process to make the resulting generations ābadā simply hybrid vigor is lost and can eventually give way to inbreeding depression.
Take any two inbred disparate lines and cross them.
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I certainly do not need you to explain hybrids to me LMAO I was giving it as an example . Anyway goodluck in your fight ā¦
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Terrific, then Iāll need you to explain how these āhybridsā are made that wonāt produce viable seed in subsequent generations.
Ole Reynard couldnāt/wouldnāt, letās see you take a crack at it.
Like I said , good luck in YOUR fight . It isnāt my fight , or my job to explain anything . Go do some reading about why vegetable hybrids do not produce useful seeds. I was simply pointing out that it is possible and gave an example of how it is possible.
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You didnāt though. Subsequent generations of hybrid seeds arenāt sterile. Sometimes different species can be crossed that produce sterile offspringā¦mules for example.
Thing is, Cannabis is all the same species and demonstrably produces viable offspring in later generationsā¦so that doesnāt apply.
Please explain these secret techniques olereynard was talking about. If you know, that is.
I said nothing about sterile ā¦ I also have zero interest in a back and forth with you. So ya cheers
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You dropped this.
Everyone says they know, no one can deliver.
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Viable and sterile are two different things . See if you did some reading you would know that .
Now please stop responding to me .
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Big bag of nothing like everyone else.
Have a good one.
This is a public forum. Anybody can respond to you if they like. You made an outrageous claim itās on you to back it up.
Iāve seen it in the pond industry with ornamental Cannas that have insane colors. Worked the industry for 10 years, tried to germinate thousands of collected canna seeds, tried a dozen ātricksā (hard outer shell, even took a belt sander to some!) to get em to germinate, and they never would. At one pond industry conference I sat in on a lecture on plants, and the lecturer did mention that although the seeds wouldnāt germinate (sterile, not viable, whatever you wanna call it), you could make cuttings / split the roots but that its still a āpatentedā plant. Therefore āillegalā to sell without the patent holder getting his cut because you started splitting plants to multiply.
As legality gains momentum, I can see eventually different cultivars being sold, much like the Purple Huechera, Blue Dream Hosta, Purple Wiegielia, etcā¦ They actually have patents on the plants genetics (look for a little PP# on the tag).
Not sure what they do to the Cannas to make their seeds not sprout, but I not only heard it at an industry lecture and tried it myself with literally thousands of seeds.
On the veggie hybrids, many of the seeds are malformed, or not viable for one reason or another. I prefer heirloom varieties for this reason as well as the plants general disease / pest resistance.
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This just seems like a horrible practice though. Like sure your F1ās might be great, but youāve made a crop that canāt produce by itself anymore. If civilization were to collapse tomorrow, all those crops and seed are useless, theyāll be gone forever in a yearā¦ all becauseā¦ $$$ 
Likeā¦ instead of growing the plant and breeding it to make a better product for you AND the plantā¦ no, youāre intentionally sabotaging the plant genetics just so no one can copy you, wtf manā¦
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Like many patented cultivars, theyāre clones of a sport. Grow Braeburn apple seeds and most of the plants wonāt look anything like the original. Roses too.
Cannabis doesnāt work this way. Everything is very close, genetically speaking. Some plants are naturally less fertile, I guess. Iāve encountered clones that are nearly sterile. But theyāll still make a few seeds, and Iām sure the next generation would probably be just fine. You could find a sterile clone and try to patent it, but I doubt itād somehow be leaps and bounds better than other clones that freely make seed.
As to why youāre having difficulty, IDK, some plants are very hard to grow from seed, especially ones with tubers/rhizomes Daffodils, Cryptocoryne, etc.
If anyoneās got the specifics on what all these Cannabis breeders allegedly ābeen doing since the 80āsā to āprotect their interests against filial generationsā I am all ears.
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Can you make a four assed monkey or mongoose?
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