Seed Runs Co-Op Logistics/Cost/OT Discussion Megathread

[George]

Here in Spain it is allowed to buy seeds (not to grow them ) so I shouldn’t have any problem about receiving or sending them. I can be a gateway for the EU (once Brexit concluded). That would be an easy way for me to give back to the community, as I can hardly distinguish a male from a female and wouldn’t know how to put them together to work …

[LemonadeJoe]

@allotment

Interesting. I’m not sure if that is good or bad for our cause. Requirement to stay active sounds like a good thing, but could be a disadvantage for users busy with life, going through hard times etc. OG can’t always be the most important thing for everybody.

Prima facie it made sense when I was setting up forum boards, but it is not something set in stone… We can do poll in Private lounge about this policy…

[Olbrannon]

Just a suggestion. As a personal user I could not grow more than maybe 4 strains to cured in a year and doing good to get that.

Some seeds I could not do justice to a search of and passed on to others.

Should hope to grow the number of strains available at each distribution enough to have to choose which we want.

[GMan]

Wow, this thread makes my head spin, but I appreciate all of the others with the drive to make it happen. I’m on such a limited income atm that it’s easy for me to make decisions, lol. I’m good with whatever comes out of it and will roll with it. At the very least I want to do a seed run soon. I can do that part, once I get a few more things tweaked. peace and thanks!

[MomOnTheRun]

@TheShowMeHomie

(just thinking out loud) what if people signed up with a number not in alphabetical order so that the next person just has to sign up under the one above them so that no one has to enter in between two names so no more accidental erasing …

For me, its just easier and faster though I suppose I could start using the sort function …keep forgetting that is a possibility

@zephyr

I think we should just try to avoid sending money until after the seeds have been received by the distributor, and then if the grower needs help to cover the shipping funds it could be handled as a reimbursement.

That’s how we try to do it so its a for sure thing

@Gaz29

I’ll need more than the equivalent of $5 dollars for postage, it’s still classed as international mail when i ship to members in Spain ,Portugal ,Germany Sweden etc …
But I’ll see how this works when it’s implemented..

The 5.00 per seed pack should allow more flexibility which is why I noted not more than 10.00 for postage though I dunno: 5 USD = 3.91 GDP = 6.61CAD = 7.28 AUD etc…Currency conversions suck as some area’s pay more than others. I still like the per box we have been doing. How about…

Postage per box + amount for server fund…packaging donations like Meesh did with MongoBongo or I do with some to help save on postage.

This way the change is minimal and still giving back to the forum as well as, giving packaging help as needed

@George

Here in Spain it is allowed to buy seeds (not to grow them ) so I shouldn’t have any problem about receiving or sending them. I can be a gateway for the EU (once Brexit concluded).

@Gaz29 would this help?

@GMan

Wow, this thread makes my head spin,

Right? There is a lot to consider…it was easier when we were getting started having 30-40 people on the lists though having doubled that in a year and growing this discussion is important…not everyone is going to be happy with whatever final changes we make though change is necessary to keep this moving forward

[zephyr]

I think the solution for sign ups may be to simply have multiple lists, one for each trust level within the co-op structure. Each list has no limit for the number of members, and no cut off date.
When it comes time for distribution, high tiers are prioritized first.

If we have a project that runs short, and there aren’t enough seeds for new and lower trust level members, we can either distribute alternate seedstock to those that are truly in need, or prioritize the lowest tiers first for the distribution of the refresh seed run.

edit- if the breeder still has female cuttings and pollen to continue making f2’s, lower tiers will be prioritized for a second round seed run to complete the project.

[MomOnTheRun]

@Meesh

I could audit the costs vs. Donations per strain for you guys twice a year. If you all decide on that we can go into what I’ll need from y’all to do that and streamline it.

Awesome! I believe it will be needed for currency conversions as well as, helping to oversee the financial aspect of it so no one makes a profit like now I am sitting on much more than I am comfortable with as some have prepaid for future boxes though will all be used in the long run I suppose. If we do it this way, you’ll need a breakdown of postage costs per distributor and come up with a number that is not only fair but around the same per member whether its per box or per strain…I think with packaging donations we do not need to include it in the fee’s collected but will need to include something towards reimbursing breeders for shipping to distributors for the October mail outs and the server especially if we have our own subforum though should be doing it anyway.

@Meesh

I’m sure you have a good reason, but why do you need to rerun the same strain every other year. Isn’t the point of preserving the strain basically fulfilled once you distribute to like 100 people? That run creates exponential numbers of that plant. I realize not all people are gonna make seeds but still, even if 1 out of 100 do that’s at least another 1000 seeds etc… etc…

My personal thought process behind this is I am repeatedly getting asked for a strain that has closed for awhile with no extra packs to issue and though ~100 of each is initially disbursed many sit on them - the ones that don’t aren’t into breeding them or pass them onto someone else and the ones that do are very few …if it keeps going this way then is that strain really preserved?

@zephyr

I think the solution for sign ups may be to simply have multiple lists, one for each trust level within the co-op structure. Each list has no limit for the number of members, and no cut off date.
When it comes time for distribution, high tiers are prioritized first.

More work though can be done

[ttutone]

@MomOnTheRun

My personal thought process behind this is I am repeatedly getting asked for a strain that has closed for awhile with no extra packs to issue and though ~100 of each is initially disbursed many sit on them - the ones that don’t aren’t into breeding them or pass them onto someone else and the ones that do are very few …if it keeps going this way then is that strain really preserved?

Would it be helpful once we received the seed run seeds if some of us S1’ed them? They would still retain the same genetics and still be F1,F2, etc. Is that correct?

[DiggySoze]

@MomOnTheRun

if it keeps going this way then is that strain really preserved?

So we’re not preserving anything, we’re just delaying their extinction?
Damn, that’s deep.

[MomOnTheRun]

@ttutone

Would it be helpful once we received the seed run seeds if some of us S1’ed them?

I am sure it would though many shy away from selfing wanting to have more flexibility

@ttutone

They would still retain the same genetics and still be F1,F2, etc. Is that correct?

My understanding is that they are not identical to the mom though would have all of her genes as well as, the different expressions the seeds would show though probably wrong on this

@DiggySoze

So we’re not preserving anything, we’re just delaying their extinction?
Damn, that’s deep.

Pretty much unless we periodically rerun them so they can land in more hands in the long run

[Heritagefarms]

I definetly think these discussions will benefit the preservations runs and hopefully lead to more being done in the future. I know its costing me right about $100 dollars to send the beans I just made out and that’s only shipping to 3 distributors. One of the distributors is receiving over 60 packs to mail out. I cant imiagin the postage on that. Glad to see everybody pulling together to figure out how to get more done. I like the idea of limiting sighn ups to members who are regular contributors to the community.

[Pedro_Bann]

So without doing an expense sheet and just in my head from the costs put forward above I would suggest 20 dollars per box plus 1 dollar per strain in the box will cover every packaging and mailing cost from the breeder to the end users and any excess can go to the server fund.

[TheShowMeHomie]

The cheapest you will ever really find a pack is 20 bucks and those seem rare these days so I personally have no issue with them being that much

[Tappy]

So what’s going on here?..another server fund seed deal!!!

[MomOnTheRun]

@Pedro_Bann

So without doing an expense sheet and just in my head from the costs put forward above I would suggest 20 dollars per box plus 1 dollar per strain in the box will cover every packaging and mailing cost from the breeder to the end users and any excess can go to the server fund.

That is on one of the above versions…20.00 per box x 2 mail outs a year = 40.00 for whatever strains are signed up for in those 2 blocks of time and the less confusing in the long run though still like the bi yearly audits done anyway just for a bit more oversight

@Tappy

So what’s going on here?..another server fund seed deal!!!

Discussing on changing some of the logistics for the preservation runs as we continue to grow…almost tripling in the last year

Edited to add: i’ll make another update on potential changes a bit later tonight as this discussion continues for or against ideas

[Pedro_Bann]

Yeah but the 20 per box doesnt seem to quite cover all the expenses. If there is any shortfall at all the project just won’t be sustainable.

[MomOnTheRun]

@Pedro_Bann

Yeah but the 20 per box doesnt seem to quite cover all the expenses. If there is any shortfall at all the project just won’t be sustainable.

True hence moving to Meesh’s idea of per strain as some want only 1 or 2 while others want all of them - should be scalable due to this alone but what is fair with all the different currencies? That is what I am having a hard time with

[George]

For currency conversions having a Paypal account is useful as it gives you real-time conversion, there’s a small fee but for sending money between countries its very practical …

[Pedro_Bann]

To get an average of all distributor postage expenses will keep it covered. And if we count on having a small excess then any shortfalls can be accounted for before sending the balance to Joe.

For the cost to punters just use one currency (USD).

[MomOnTheRun]

@Pedro_Bann

To get an average of all distributor postage expenses will keep it covered. And if we count on having a small excess then any shortfalls can be accounted for before sending the balance to Joe.

Sounds the most fair of all… my average is 5.00 per box…@Gaz29, @Shadey, @Johnnybsmokin, @MikeM @MadScientist - whats your average in your currency