Why do so many strains not have pictures or descriptions? A picture with a few things listed like how much stretch and rough harvest window would go a long way.
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Especially when they are charging like 120 a pack. Right now Iām annoyed with a supposed fem seed full of pollen sacks. Alien Bubba from LA Plata collective or genetics I forget which one it is. The plant grew great until it started popping nanners ever where with out a pistle in sight.
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What gets me is so many times when I do see a picture itās a picture Iāve seen in about 6 different breederās pictures of about 6 different strains.
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Iām waiting for us to get to the point where seed packs come with a sampler. GIVE ME THE FUTURE NOW
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Easy. They all sell untested pollen chucks.
Disambiguation:
1)āallā Not all, not all. Most.
2)āUntestedā some have testers, yeah? Yeah.
The problem with this is that common man testers wonāt be growing 100 seeds and catalog phenos and how they segregate, while including their grow parameter and what notā¦ rh, temps, feed etc to give a base line of phenos showing under this and that environmentā¦
Secondly, say you are one lucky mofo and most testers packs are grown (unlikely). All different environments, all different expressions shown. Dang. To give an accurate representation of a line, youād need multiple grows over time and data.
It is. A crap shoot.
Then, integrity plays a part in thisā¦ we talking money, who knows what one would be ready to say to market w/e ā¦
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Do you have any light leaks at all? Even the smallest hole can throw male flowers. Not saying anything about this plant your room or abilities or seed breeder just generally. Whenever I had nanners I would hang out in my flower room after dark and let my eyes adjust. Found light coming around a area that looked dark until my eyes adjusted. Even a light on a power strip throws them i to confusion. Some strains deal
With it differently. All we can do is keep trying to find that keeper. Live and learn here on Og. Good luck w it.
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Hey skunkhunt 
Itās genetics.
Female seeds vs Feminized seeds
Proven vs speculated
Tested vs untested
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Nope there were pollen sacks all over not just in area. None of the other girls have nanners. I couldnāt find a white hair at any node too so I think it was just a male plant.
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Ok
Good
Luck with the future of your grow
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I get that for sure. Just afrer doing 8 or 9 full room seed runs I make sure to double and triple check the basics first always.
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Thing is Iām also talking about established well regarded breeders who even have their stuff in dispos. Realistically indoor, everyone strives for similar environments, sure thereās situations where someone lives in an extreme climate and achieving optimal environmental parameters can be a hassle but a pic and description of how a strain grows in an optimized indoor grow would be less of a crapshoot like I get that instagram exists and you can get an idea of how it grows from there but damn.
I also get that a lot of things are untested F1 hybrids, but when spaces like this exist it canāt be to hard for reputable breeders to find testers. For real if just to throw two famous ones out there say capulator or top dawg(not badmouthing them lol, just they stuck out to me cause Iāve never seen a pic on a seedbank) came on a forum and said hey I need a couple testers who will send logs and pics everybody and their momma would be lined up trying to test em.
But then I guess that would have some risks like assholes f2ing em or giving out cuts. Im just being grumpy I guess lolš
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Problem is these specific guys already sell like hotcakes
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Dominion(Duke Diamond) and Dynasty( Professor P) are two legit breeders that come to mind that give estimates on which phenotypes you will find with pictures and approx stretch, flower time, effects etc.
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I think itās perfectly okay to critique if youāre including as many variables as you can think of in your assessment.
You get the testers you canā¦ by that I mean the guys with stable rooms arenāt necessarily the ones whoāll run your gear. A thankfull noob is more likely to try itā¦
I think about 10 or 15% of seeds sent as testers gets ranā¦ but weāre missing the point and pointing fingers at the wrong folksā¦
āBreedersā should run at least 2 batches, one in one out, take notes, pics etc then and only then look for testers.
Worked stuff should only throw a limited number of pheno/genotype and should be easy to mapā¦
Dudes are writing descriptions like, parent āAā is a 75 days plant and parents āBā is a 50 days plant = this line is a 62 day line lol
As an example, raspberry boogie from mosca. Love love that line but holy shit does that description make you think itās stableā¦ I popped a ton and no 2 plants were alike (!)
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Shit not to long ago I had a pack of fems from solfire one male and two hermies. Shame, they did nice in veg and had cool smelling stem rubs.
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I think it is because the average seed buyer doesnāt understand genetic variability and once a picture is posted buyers expect to grow what they see, which can lead to bad reviews āIt didnāt look like the pic I paid forā 
. But a single plantās phenotypic expression, especially in these highly hyped F1 and S1 strains that every pollen shucker is pumping out en-masse, is unique and a single picture cannot convey the full array of potential phenotypic variations one might come across while popping most seedsā¦especially when the breeders are picking a one-off out of thousands of seeds like Tiki Madman or an equivalent. So itās better to not post a pic so that lesser informed people canāt claim the seeds they grew didnāt look exactly like the plant in the pic that they thought they were buying.
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If you follow your breeder on Instagram they will post pics of plants from peoples grows and you will see how every single post of a single strain can show an extremely variable assortment of phenotypes being expressedā¦ green, purple, frosty AF, or less frostyā¦ most of the time there is no one pic that would appease all, and if they did post a pic of the one plant out of thousands that they found as a keeper it would not be reasonable to assume you could ever find that particular pheno even if you popped multiple packs.
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Ooh thatās another thing that slightly bugs me, why are we referring to plants of the same strain grown in the same environment but with different traits different phenotypes? A phenotype is how genes express under different environments if sibling plants express differently under the same environment wouldnāt it be more accurate to call them different genotypes? Most everythingās offspring even down to single cell organisms have different dna. Idk Iām just a bit stoned and a bit wine drunk and rambling
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A phenotype is the detectable expression of the genotypeā¦so a phenotype is differentiated based upon visible clues
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I get that if a breeder is going to post a pic for a line heās going to choose the 1/1000 plant. Yeah, np. But then itās priced as if itās a 1/10.
I love hunting, but you canāt expect me to buy 5 fk grand of beans to find a keeper. Price them accordinglyā¦
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