If I must pick a side, it won’t be Xenforo.
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Although it does offer better picture resolution, I don’t think that would do you any good
You seem like a combatative and unpleasant human being. I wouldn’t call it the GOAT of chems, that is definitely a false statement! But in some areas like UK, cuts like Illuminati made it big.
Glhf in life and welcome to be the first on my ignore list. Bye 
Pz 
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@LonelyOC Then tell me what the best Chem seed line there is out there? If stardawg wasn’t so great then why are there so many keepers, and held in such high regard? Especially in the UK scene as you mentioned
How’s it going brotha? I did a project this spring that may be fun to join in with your interest in the Sour D hunting… I got some beans from a big pack I got from a friend who specializes in Sours and he sent me an elbow of Headband, which I found a bunch of seeds in. I grew them out (I believe they S1, self-pollinated from some male flowers since HB and Sours can hermit often. So, I grew out 15 of them, and did a light-poisoning treatment to trigger some male flowers… 2 plants threw about a dozen flowers each, which pollinated the bunch. I had S1 phones leaning on the Sour D side, all the way to the OG side, and a lot in between. I separated all the seeds by mother plant and added the description of each one’s unique traits, smells, etc.
I was thinking of working some through to further generations, while incorporating more Sour D, or more OG as makes sense to bring out more in each direction.
Not sure if you want to run some of these and see what you find, my grow is temporarily down for a month or so.
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Hey @JAWS , just saw your Headband seed archive list, and curious if I can snag somehow some…
I did a S1 project of Loompa’s HB last year, then ran a bunch and reversed them to hit each other all around. Had a bunch of stuff in there from a late sour to an early OG leaner, of course…
Seeing how you have a few variations, you may have some things that line up with my archive, may be worth playing deeper with. Your thoughts?
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ISP’s IC91? or any of their chem91 bx’s…
I’ve only had StarDawg in crosses but I’ve not been a fan of a single one of them myself and thought they were all pretty meh. Yet another cut from JJ I don’t care for 
I’d honestly rather have the straight 91 or #4 instead 
but that ISP seedline is legit…
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Stardog is a commercial cut Albanian gangs run in the 
/Europe and far from Connoisseur quality or ANYWHERE NEAR the legendary Sour Diesel and Original Diesel clone only’s.
But for commercial ive seen some nice bits for sure, but comparing them is Apple and Oranges and shows you know nothing about what your talking about.
Have you run any of the Clone only Diesel cuts ? , and which 1’s
Stardog a great commercial hybrid, but Original Diesel and Sour Diesel are 2 of the most elite things we ever see come out of good ol USA 
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@Connoisseur_Genetics Yes, I know, you missed the context from the dude I replyed to.
I have never ever said anything else. For a majority of cannabis users in the UK today, stardog and cheese was the first gateway into cannabis, as you already know. That’s the importance I’m talking about.
Chill dude! I would never ever put illuminati at the same level of diesel, sour, the D or the 91.
Edit, I think you read things into it that wasn’t even anything I said. So take a step back and apologize, thank you.
Pz
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Bro your some real young buck if you think Stardog was a gateway into Canna .
Skunk and California Orange is what started the UK into growing Canna scene in the early 90’s not stardog that was decades later and the Commercial scene not Connoisseur market at all.
Stardog might be most known strain next to Amnesia but definitely not the best from what topdawg seed has put out over the years, its just king in UK Commercial market and that is a big thing, i wish every Albanian grower was growing my strains.
Not starting any trouble or hating either, just different generations completely
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Dude, you need to read what I write. Seems like I know the current UK market better then you do. Go visit @drewissharing to get up to date.
And please apologise for your inconsiderate and inaccurate comments.
Pz
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What do i need to apologise for ? , what did i say that was wrong , let me know ? , lets talk instead of drama.
Im from the UK so know scene very well
I dont need to visit anyone’s thread to learn about , i lived here my whole life
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Apologize is crazy🤣
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I thought he apologised at first 
But seriously what did i offend with ?
Honestly this why thumbsdown no good , how do i know how i offended without being told
Sure, I’ll be constructive.
It’s the biggest weed influencer in whole EU and UK.
OK, I’m sure you know a lot, but the ton of new smokers the last 10 years in UK in immense. These are “young bucks”, but still weed smokers and they got into weed with cheese and stardog. They are hell of a lot more of them then older folks your or mine age.
This is what you need to apologise for.
It’s not crazy to apologise when you wronged someone, I do it all the time. It’s called being a decent human being.
Pz
It’s stardawg.
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He said, I know nothing about what I talk about and then question my integrity. Because he drew his own conclusions and didn’t properly read what I wrote. Doesn’t matter what the subject is about it’s the actions I’m point at.
Pz
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Yeah that is a good one. Got to give credit to Shabud, he did a great job making that Chem 4 bx3…….
I just think stardawg put out way more keepers. JJ nailed it
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Cheese yes. Stardawg ?? Funny you used that instead of amnesia or g13 haze 