Yeah, I still am liking the syringe approach when I use gel. Would definitely recommend it at this point. Just did it a week or so ago and already see roots poking out on some of the TK, TS, and TK x TS. Most of the TK still aren’t rooted but there always seems to be a few early outliers.
Sometimes when I take a whole tray of cuttings using the same mom / variety I just opt for rooting powder, but the gel with syringe seems better hygiene when you have a whole bunch of different moms you’re taking cuttings of.
Thinking I may move a few of the TK / TS / TKxTS into the flower tent this weekend just in case some of the seedlings don’t work out.
Love the fall time - it’s been pretty warm here lately but at least it’s starting to look more like fall visually.
Also 3 out of 5 of the malawi seedlings look acceptable. They had pathetic roots coming out of the rapid rooters. 2 don’t look that great (only 1 of those are pictured here), we’ll see if they make it. Got them transplanted into coir today.
I don’t know enough about coco coir, which is why I’m asking, but could you just plant the seeds directly into that, the same way you can with soil? Or, like, after soaking/paper towels or whatever? I guess what I’m asking is are the Rapid Rooters necessary for coco grows? Could you skip them?
Yeahhhh, it’s been warm here, too, man, I dunno what that’s about. I mean, it’s like 50 in the morning, but by early afternoon it’s high-80’s/low-90’s, kinda weird. We’ve been running the AC for part of the day the last week or so, which is not something we’ve ever done in late October, I don’t think.
Root them in paper towel then transfer to coco but make sure to keep media moist till they get established. Free from fungus gnats and host of other less helpful types. I steer their nutrients and water schedule to what they demand. Kinda like hydroponics but easier in some respects.
Can definitely start directly in coco, just gotta make sure it doesn’t dry out. It’s just easier to keep the plant where it should be and moist enough, using plugs of some kind first.
I could skip them but I wanted to use them for a few reasons -
First they were old rapid rooters that I used to root cuttings in where the cutting never rooted. I didn’t want to throw them out, but I also didn’t want to use them for cuttings again. Don’t care too much about these Malawi so it was the path of least resistance. Filling a container with coco , wetting it, and the finding a spot in the dome would have been difficult. With the rapid rooter the just fit directly in the plug tray / liner that was already in there.
So yes, you are right, rapid rooters are not necessary.
Yeah it feels unusually hot here this year too, but I feel like I find myself saying that every year now haha…
Haha I’ve been stockpiling cubes from unsuccessful clones just for that reason. I was thinking of throwing them in the oven for a bit and then maybe giving them another go at clones. Just worried about whatever bacteria got a hold during the unsuccessful cloning.
Yeah, your sterilizing idea is a good one I think. I thought about saturating them with water and microwaving them but was in a lazy mood. I’m not too worried about these Malawi, but if I had more valuable seeds going I think I’d opt for your solution.
May be useful to do a kind of pasteurization at least, or pour boiling water on them and allow them to cool. Getting that old rooting hormone out of the plugs is probably a good idea, and that would help with that objective too. Not sure how well they will hold up to heat, I may try it if I can find the spare time this weekend. I know in a cold “composting” bin they don’t seem to break down, so I’m assuming whatever they use to bind them is pretty resilient.
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Quick thoughts on the TK S1 #2.
Pretty decent potency. Not as strong as 5150 #3, it is stronger than 5150 #1 though. No euphoria but maybe I’m just getting burned out on sampling and being critical of stuff. In any case it’s not bad. Focus neutral. Slightly relaxing. I like the flower and would grow more S1s in the future possibly.
Almost positive I’m going to cull all the backup clones of the CSI stuff though. Nothing in the run blew me away when sampling it, nor are any calling me to run them instead of the mom / TS with the exception of the TK x TS. I want to sample that one for a while to give any kind of hype I’ve built up internally to become more grounded.
Getting tired of managing more plants than I need, and it’s limiting my options for exploring other seeds as well. I actually really want to explore more TK x TS beans, check out the other phenos in there, and dust both the TK and TS mom while I’m at it. Not sure if I’m going to do that though, still weighing options in my head.
After sampling some of the less energetic phenos from this grow, as well as some of the buds I was gifted recently made me less enthusiastic about growing out heavy “indicas” in the immediate future.
I don’t mind holding 3 moms - that seems to be a reasonable number for me. Ideally I get it down to 2, but 3 I can live with. Redundant backups make things more intolerable though. I’ve had redundant backups of all the moms since last fall, and it’s certainly part of my annoyance. The CSI stuff puts me at 6 different moms, all with related genetics. I wanted to keep them long enough to sample the flower just to make sure I wouldn’t be throwing away something good enough to ‘compete’ with the mothers.
TK and TS are similar in many ways but also dissimilar. I like the TK a lot, and so I want to keep it. TS I am also nowhere near ready to let that one go. It’s in my top 3 I’d say from Bodhi, and probably my favorite plant. Maybe if I start seeing superior plants in the chucks and f-gens I’ll warm up to letting go of either of those 2, but I’ll have to start growing them out to see.
TK x TS e/h smells different than both the TK and TS (no surprise, it’s not TS-A in the cross). Flower morphology appears very similar to the TK, but with slightly smaller calyxes. Aroma and flavor seem a bit more conventionally attractive, with pretty much the same high of the TK. Seems to get me there in less hits than the TK too (1-2 vs 2-4). I want to keep the mom around for a little bit for sure.
DST just posted some thoughts about his TS x SSDD, and a few others here have run that one so their opinion would be worth more than mine there - I haven’t grown any of the chucks using that SSDD male out yet and still feel guilty about that. Were you saying that in the context of pollen chucking or having more of a variety of effects? It’s all a big unknown to me, and that’s why I want to start popping at least some of the chucks I’m sitting on.
Still brainstorming and trying to decide what seeds I want to pop… Culled the CSI moms but a tray of cuttings rooted and so space is already occupied again. Both TK and TS have rooted in under 14 days this go around which is nice. I’ll probably move some in the flower tent soon… Being indecisive on everything lately it feels like.
Pretty sure I’ll do a handful of TK x TS in a few days.
I’m actually slightly tempted to try a few Kush 4 x Snow Lotus as well. Haven’t seen anyone grow that one out yet and I really liked the K4 leaning K4 x SSDD pheno I saw (still have more of those too, but rather not run them again right now). May be interesting, though I usually regret it when I germinate SL seeds.
Kali Mist x Everything is another that I’ve considered, but I don’t like the looks of the plants I’ve seen of it so far. Nothing is looking at all like the Kali Mist that I grew in the early 00s. Maybe if I did that I’d pop them all and cull anything that doesn’t have very narrow leaves…
Maybe I’ll just do a few SSDD (bbs) x TS and check those out instead.
My interest in the Gorilla Biscuit & DLA 6 is waning - so those are very unlikely. Will probably look at my seeds later on to see if there’s anything I’m missing on my text file that stands out… Interested in any other opinions as always.
Plants still don’t look great in the flower tent, but are acceptable enough.
From what Ive read your experience with the TK S1 and CC sounds similar to mine, nothing to write home about but overall nice genetics
My friend insisted we keep 1-2 clones as it sells nice according to him, I told him there’s nothing there for us to keep, and that’s always the primary goal above money above everything else.
It took him a week to call me back to tell me I’m right there’s nothing much there…
Anyway I liked your grow very much, this was a top notch run !
Good luck with future endeavors
Yeah that’s what I figured might happen, sadly. The TK breeds wide af when it comes to the smells/flavors and most importantly, the high. I’ve found pieces but never her+some, least so far.
Its sad CSI did all this effort (finding the 5150) and stabilizing it a bit just to offer us a BX or F1 with other strains making the actual pheno we want (5150) more elusive again.
The TK x TS that I took down recently smells different but for me has the same effects as the FJ TK cut. The Triple Sunshine mom is fairly close as well.
A local grower friend said that he couldn’t tell which of the 3 he liked best (TK , TS, TKxTS). Described all 3 as potent, having an up beat high and not debilitating.
Yeah, can’t expect everything to be the best. Sorry to hear you didn’t find anything better than the mother either, but appreciate the honest and grounded reviews. I’ll hold off before posting anything in the CSI thread to make sure I’ve had time with it and sampled it more, but that may take a while. I kind of want to get back to sampling the TS / TKxTS and the TK for a while.
Also, I’d think if a majority of the offspring actually were “much better than the mother” then we’d see clones circulating. Hard to know by what metric he is judging them by, same with the 5150 potency. My 5150 TK x TK #3 was actually pretty strong stuff - the effects just didn’t seem special to me.
I think the CSI offerings would be a good place to look for people in other countries, or a situation where they are unable to take clones in but they can do a large pheno hunt. I’d be willing to grow more out in the future but I’m not really willing to spend any more money. I’m sure eventually I’ll grow some of the remaining seeds I do have…
As opposed to what, offering S2s? That is interesting, seems like it would be an appealing choice if he had them available rather than just a back-cross. Wonder if it has self fertility issues like the mom or something like that.
He did release some TK 5150 S1 x TK seeds too, I think that would be locking in some of the 5150 traits. I have a pack, but haven’t had a chance to look yet.
That’s cool. I find the effects are pretty close between the TS and TK, the TK is slightly more up feeling for me, but I like the taste of the TS more. Both jars are almost gone if that tells you anything…
Yeah, I appreciate the work CSI is doing, but I think it would take a large hunt (100+) to find something really special. I think his genetics are always a good way to explore a line that is new to you as well… it’s cool being able to grow a few fems, explore what is there, to see if there is anything remotely interesting to you… then if you so desire, you could seek out most of the mother cuts that he has selfed.
Sounds good, nice to see people exploring their own crosses. I need to get to some of that myself. Getting ready to throw the TSA in the big SIP and flower it out again, I’m gonna have to really focus on keeping in contained within the cage, or put up some sort of netting. I think the TSA would do really well with vertical lighting too, so i may experiment with some of that.
Thanks for the tip!
