Didn’t you grow 3 seeds of a pack? You’re not going to give it a fair shake running only half a pack of csi work if so and you make it seem like you have loads of experience with his work when you don’t. 
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Essentially they will be TK S2 yes, but it will give us the growers better chances, no question.
I don’t know who came up with that notion about S1 giving mostly better than the mother clones ? I’m not saying it can’t happen but it sure won’t be prevalent unless the mother is a “true breed” aka a worked line.
I don’t think anyone said better than a clone at a reputable forum. Different yes, better? No but potentially if you run a good amount of them. I don’t run s1’s myself if I can just get a cut of something.
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Bro get off my tail already you are starting to irritate me with your nonsense and so obsolete responses really, get a life.
Unless your CSI lawyer or something
You don’t know shit about me and what I grow or grew so stop guessing all day long and get back to posting not going anywhere responses all over the forum like you know you do best.
Btw, stop editing your posts everytime to make you look ok when you decide to write some shit, it’s getting lame
lol what? 
Yes I’m the CSI lawyer you got me figured out. What’s the job description for CSI lawyer exactly?
So editing a post to ensure correct grammar is a no no now?
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Yeah right, correct grammar hahaha
Next time I’ll screenshot every post you make, clown
Damn I am sorry you feel that way about me. Have a good day bro.
I’m not interested in the drama but to clarify the topic about finding a plant better than the mom
https://humboldtcsi.com/product/triangle-kush-s1/
Description
Triangle Kush S1 ~ Triangle Kush x Triangle Kush
These have been our favorite S1’s grown to date…unfortunately reversing the Triangle Kush mother cut is no easy feat…over the last 4 years I’ve personally reversed the TK 3 times, unsuccessfully until this time…sadly even with large quantities of pollen produced from the reversed female very few seeds were produced.
Just a heads up…anyone who gets these souvenirs…make clones as many of these S1’s are much better than the mother cut.
I assume IAY is correct, that you’d have to run ~50-100 plants at least to actually find something better. After that it’s still all subjective - one man’s trash and all that…
Taking dogs now so back to mobile for me
I don’t have enough recent experience to chime in but that sounds about right to me.
So cool! Very excited to see that! I was toying with some ideas I saw here on OG about sharing clones and was hoping to eventually get her into more peoples hands. Really glad to hear you find her worthy to smoke!
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I’ve always known from forums / discord servers with good growers about s1’s so my expectations have been different. but if Caleb said it, he said it. I just don’t have the expectations of finding something better than the mom and you’d have to run several packs to give it a fair shake.
That can be perceived though as take cuts because you’ll find good plants over something better than the moms. Not the exact same plants. Idk I didn’t mean to make this drama my bad syzyguy.
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CSI has said many times in interviews that s1’s are a numbers game for sure, because there are so many undesirable phenos, but he has also said that s1’s have the potential to produce higher quality phenos then the mother plant. But yeah from the sounds of it I don’t think 3 s1 seeds is enough of a representation to correctly ascertain the quality of the line. Although you grew them out beautifully.
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Yeah, both S1s and regulars are a numbers game. I hope I didn’t give the impression that I think you can judge the potential of a cross (s1 or otherwise) from just a few plants. If I did then it was a communication error on my part. I feel like I’m constantly tripping over myself in my posts trying to include disclaimers but I’ll just restate that I think all plants from this grow were high quality, just not high quality enough to replace my current mothers (TK , Triple Sunshine).
Going into this last grow my goal was to pop some of the CSI tk beans to see how easy it is to find something close enough to the mother in the event I should lose her. I never expected to find better plants than the mother with a low plant count. I’d assume anyone that’s going to drop 1k$ to pheno hunt 100 seeds is going to be taking clones and doesn’t need to be told to do so, that’s the entire point of doing a pheno hunt like that. The line on his website is clearly directed at consumer level hobbyists - maybe just with anticipation that they may get lucky. Personally, I just wrote it off as marketing, even when I ordered the seeds. My goal wasn’t to replace the mother I was given. I was, and still am happy with how the last grow went and the flower that I got from it.
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No that’s valid. I appreciate you sharing your experience with the csi 5150 stuff. I’ve been lucky with the last few packs thankfully and what I’ve shared with friends didn’t require to fully run through a pack. But it could be luck. Heck I’ve even had a bodhi pack where I used one female and thought it was just OK nothing special but I don’t think it’s fair to base things based on a small sample size then run into the csi thread bashing a guys work.
Now I’ve ran some packs of mass medical and everything was kinda shit that I got but I thought let me support local. Never again. I don’t go out of my way to post that experience in his thread. It’s the equivalent of writing a bad yelp review versus just never going to said restaurant again. No idea why that fella got so angry at my posts but oh well.
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Okay okay. I was going to go get a similar background and grab the tweezers and be obnoxious but I figure this is close enough. When I re-find the perfectly comparable nug I’ll post it, but I figured this is close. #3 vs #3. I’ll dig out some more later. Doesn’t mean too much, just comparing. A friend did say he got black licorice notes from TS x SSDD #3. So there is some food for thought.
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Nice shot! I see what you mean, they look very similar. My memory sucks, how were the effects on the #3 for you? Was #1 your fav so far?
Here are some crappy stacks I attempted earlier
TK
Triple Sunshine
Malawi seedlings
Triple Sunshine & TK roots looking nice and healthy. That’s just fragments of rapid rooters on the leaves from lifting up plugs…
Also threw some TK x TS as well as some SSDD (bubbashine pheno) x Triple Sunshine E/H seeds into paper towels. We’ll see what comes of it…
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Yeah, i mean, I’ve been able to find one plant in each pack I’ve ran of her crosses that had a high very much like her, but they’ve all lacked somewhere else in comparison. Didn’t have the bouquet of scents, usually only a couple/few notes at best. Or they lacked in yield. Or they had a worse calyx to leaf ratio. Etc.
I’ve yet to see anyone, including me, pull out something that’s an improvement across the board without being narcotic.
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I’m still comparing as this is the first time I’ve pulled #3 down. On the nose it’s funny. #3 smells kind of like good compost tea. Molasses/syrupy sweet with earthy pine. #3 has a more ‘interesting’ smell to me when grinding or generally messing around with. If I had to take a stab in the dark I’d say it’s myrcene heavy. Truly a guess though because I’m just a human with a nose. That clove-y, licorice-y thing. #1 leaves that ‘clean’ taste in your mouth like a lot of kushy stuff does. Effects wise, #1 seems to have that sort of ‘headband’ effect I’ve heard folks talk of. Nice head pressure that feels good. I’ve been smoking a bit of the SSDD f2 I pulled down, too. From early feels, I think #3 has a more similar high to the SSDD f2, but I’ll report back on that. It’s an overall happy, appreciative sort of high. Haven’t figured much else out yet on #3. The stretch is far more manageable with #3, but it’s also tighter so mold is more of a risk. From purely an ease of growth and production standpoint, #1 grows easily and dumps yield of very pretty nugs. Here are a couple shots of #1(TS x SSDD)and SSDD f2 though, since they’re your chucks. I was in the act of taking better shots of #3 but then I saw the mailman doing the rounds and I felt weird about having a bunch of weed and the bong outside so I came in.
This round of #1 
SSDD(bs) f2. very very sweet, very nice smells. I’m a huge fan of this scent. Will have to dig into more of these seeds because I didn’t keep a cut of this. Smaller nugs and not a massive yield but that’s likely on me and because I’m comparing it to the heavier yielding plants it was grown with. Still good yield though. No issues there.
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That SSDD F2 looks really frosty! I don’t think the mom was a very heavy yielder either so that doesn’t surprise me - I’d say it was lower yield than all the Triple Sunshines as well as TK. Smaller, dense, ultra frosty nugs with stretchy and elongated internodes is how I remember it.
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This one has some tighter nodes and less elongated than I have seen from others. It may have to do with the way I trained it and my lighting though. It started to get that look to it at the end but I also pulled it around 71-72 days and I know others have gone 77-80 so who knows what I missed in that last week. Plan is to give these more focus in coming months.
And I meant to comment twice now but this weather is insane. I don’t remember an end of October so warm. It’s been awesome to get to spend time outside, but it’s definitely very weird. Very different.
Happy to see the Malawi grooving. 🪿
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Consistently too… I think we only had like 1 or 2 days in the 50s this month haha… Feels like late August but looks like Thanksgiving time outside. Messing with me for sure. Sucks for dog adventures because so many people are out on the trails. Was going to go to Hinkley yesterday but figured it would be as active as spring / summer… I’ll still take it over rain though.
I actually just put some SSDD F2s in a plug tray along with a few other things after seeing your post. No clue if they will germinate or stay, but they may be around as a backup option at least… Kind of want to do a 12/12 from seed in small pot pheno hunt on some of this stuff. Still undecided though.
In the tray :
SSDD x TS
TS x TS
TK x TS
SSDD F2
Extention tube stack tests - didn’t turn out so good. Cool to see better clarity on the trichomes though…
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Spotted some male flower on the Field Trip #2 and so it is gone. Not sure it that one ever had pistils or not, but it definitely had a male flower.
Also did a fairly heavy pruning on everything as buds begin to set. Plants were drinking too much and I don’t have the capability of watering 2-3x a day as they fill out.
That leaves me with
Field Trip 2/4 Females (blue line)
GG4 x SSDD 1/4 Female (yellow line)
SSDD 4 Females (red)
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