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[PatHealy]

Can HLVD impacted plants be nursed back to health? I know people would say that they’d put their mothers outside if they were dudding and they’d get healthy again back in the day. Then, go back inside and give off healthy clones for more years. I’m just not sure all dudding was HLVD or what the big deal is if you can make the plant healthy again.

Edit: I get people heavily reliant on their cannabis crop to pay the bills can’t take the massively reduced yield and whatnot caring about HLVD greatly for sure though.

[iamyou_youareme]

@syzygy

I already have, specifically things like the Devil’s HP.

True, there’s no way to know, all breeders back in those days were pretty much ignorant to HLV, so you’re taking a chance with any of those of cali OG clones, right? It get it though, it is something worth considering when popping new seeds. Hopefully the plants would show some physical manifestation of infection, and then you could cull, but I’m not sure I would count on that.

@syzygy

I’ve been dealing with indecision having to do with what to grow next for a while now

haha tell me about it. i can’t decide, just running more clones until i decide to run next. I’m sure something will pique your interest soon, though.

@PatHealy

Can HLVD impacted plants be nursed back to health?

Tissue culture labs will tell you they can. I’m not sure if just putting them outside and cloning from the very new growth is enough, but I’ve often heard that as a remedy.

[minitiger]

@syzygy

surprise HLVD out of nowhere because of seeds. Who knows what the likelihood of that happening is.

I suspect that the odds are minimal, as long as you didn’t get weird seeds from weird people using weird things to chuck with.

[HolyAngel]

I just keep new seedlings or anything else separate from known good stuff. Until I know I wanna keep it and get it tested. No sharing tools or anything without bleaching heavily first. I’ve had it 3 or 4 separate times and gotten rid of it each time. Then got passed new cuts haven’t seen it pop up from seed yet but for sure if the mom was infected, there’s a chance some of the seeds could be too.

I’ve not seen anything bring a plant to clean for sure yet. Running idea is along with the sticking it outdoors thing. Get it growing so well and happy/healthy that it out grows the virus, then take clean cuts and bobs your uncle. Not seen any proof though. Not even tissue culture is for sure.

[Mr.Christmas]

Hahahaha, my bad @PatHealy. I often am too quick to reply and don’t notice that I’m just repeating the same thing the above commentators said. I’ve heard the same thing as @iamyou_youareme though, that tissue culture is a way to purify a cut.

[syzygy]

Loving the simplicity of the jacks concentrated solution. Got some 60cc syringes and everything is fast and easy now. All I have to do now is inject approx 38ml (air bubble) of Part A in an empty jug, start filling it with tap water and when it’s about 1/2 full I inject part B then the 1ml of PH down.

SSDD #2 looking very nice but is probably going to have issues in a few weeks. Thinking I may set a brick on top of the pot so that it doesn’t fall over as it fills out. It’s already getting a bit top heavy.

SSDD #3 still smells great, just like #2.

No real smell developing on #1 or #4 yet.

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@syzygy

I was mostly talking about the seeds that I already have, specifically things like the Devil’s HP.

I forgot to ask you about this, but why are you worried about the Devil’s HP? Did news come out that the Diablo Bodhi used was infected or something?

@syzygy

The Green Curry OG aka Diablo OG

Did he use the same cut for both the Cheech Wizard and the Devil’s Hashplant, though? I was always under the impression that he used an “official” Diablo OG for the latter, while the former was made with the Green Curry that only later was sort of “identified” as being a Diablo OG cut.

It’s all so confusing! haha…

[syzygy]

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[Calcium_Enriched1996]

What did Matt Riot say about it?

[minitiger]

@Calcium_Enriched1996

What did Matt Riot say about it?

I think he was the one who first started saying that that Green Curry OG was actually a Diablo cut. Or something. I remember reading that, anyway. I never smoked any Diablo that smelled or tasted like green curry, but Riot was probably referring to the way the live plant smelled and not dried nugs.

@syzygy

Again, shrouded in the absolute minimal amount of information and secrecy.

Did you mean “maximum amount”? Haha.

In any event, I feel you. It does become very frustrating to hear/read about just the total lack of any sorta… I dunno… Just pay attention! Why aren’t you fuckers paying attention?!? You’re “breeding” and selling these seeds! Pay attention! Haha.

It’s why I said I’m just tuning everything out. The more you listen to stuff, the more you can poke holes in everybody’s theories and idea and hypotheses and whatever. You start to wonder why exactly anybody’s listening to them at all, why they get paid to say asinine stuff, whatever whatever.

Just do your own thing and all that.

[syzygy]

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[syzygy]

Ok after much contemplation and my nightly bong (TKxTS tonight) I feel like I have a clear idea of what I want to do going forward. This sample feels stronger too.

After this current flowering cycle I will not be taking clones of anything new for the foreseeable future, freeing up a lot of space. Since the new sprouts will all be pollen chucks I won’t feel any pressure to preemptively keep them. If something blows me away I can just explore more of the seeds again.

My intentions are to end up with females in the flowering tent in this ratio

75% TK x TS
25% SSDD x TS

A reserve 25% TS F2 as a backup to take the SSDDxTS place if needed, otherwise culled.

From the TKxTS remaining plants that aren’t female I will seek a plant that has some standout quality, or one that most resembles the TS/TK (looks the same in veg) structurally. I will separate the male once flowers start forming and collect pollen to apply to a few lowers of every female, including the TK, TKxTS and the TS mothers. No clones will be taken. An inverse “in cross” will hopefully provide an interesting contrast, so I want to look at a few of those… TK x [TKxSSDD] vs SSDD x [TKxSSDD] with a known ssdd pheno that I’ve grown for years.

This will set me up for the early spring when I will hopefully then have the option of growing out seeds from either the most interesting female, or just one of the back-crosses TKx(TKxTS) / TSx(TKxTS). This may provide a chance to do a deeper back-cross in either direction as well. I’ll keep existing moms to chuck on until I’ve seem the results of enough seeds that signal it’s no longer necessary. I’m not going the “breeder” route, but I do think continuously pollen chucking with plants that speak to me and more importantly growing them out is probably the most personalized path to go in the hobby right now. If I hit a dead end I can always go back to older seeds.

I also cleared up 400gb of space so that I can locally document boring stuff like veg progress pictures, leaf shape, structure shots etc. I still intend to post updates online, but maybe less frequent posts where the progress doesn’t appear as substantial.

I’m going to delete all my earlier posts related to concerns about seed-borne HLVD, not because my thoughts have changed on it, but because in public probably isn’t the best place to speculate when it relates to someones business.

TK x TS in veg - may move it into the flower tent soon.