Have you contacted Genetic Supply and let them know of the issue (not sure that would help), got to say though, I’m a little pissed for taking advantage of their Producer’s Overstock BOGO a month or two ago if the beans likely aren’t even going to pop.
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This is a thing that scared me about having a bunch of seeds and super limited space. I can’t pop them all and test them. Most banks and breeders, reasonably, want you to try the whole pack if there’s a problem not just a bean or two. Then with these larger buys from one bank or breeder it’s super tough. Like this Subcool thing from Producer’s Overstock. Sounds like everyone needs to soak them all, see what happens, post results, and the group contact the bank. But, what if you only have a tent or two and fifty beans or something actually sprout? Sorry you guys are dealing with this. I was never online during the Subcool days, so I was interested in seeing these plants grown out and hearing what people thought of them. Best of luck with getting the seeds to pop or some resolution from the bank that satisfies you!
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I’ve grown a ton of Subcool Seeds TGA gear. Space Queen, Agent Orange, Chernobyl, Space Dawg, Void, Jack the Ripper, Pandora’s Box, Qush, Timewreck, Apollo 13 BX, Void… I could keep going… you all get the point… there was a lot of fire in those beans… amazing phenos. Shit I couldn’t believe how amazing some of these plants were… in every pack there were keepers. I’d never seen anything like it in my life. This was all prior to 2014… after that… I grew Jack’s Cleaner again, Apollo 13BX again, some strain called Qookies, Deep Purple… all very meh. It was like a totally different experience. It might be a very controversial thing to say… but to me Subcool/TGA died in 2015. It was never the same. The magic was gone. I feel bad saying these things but it’s honestly how I feel. Thankfully I have some seeds from the old days still in my fridge and a killer Chernobyl cut… Subs cut. Came from the man himself many moons ago. I gave it to a buddy… lost it and got it back.
As soon as I get my bigger room setup I’ll have to break out some of the old classics starting with Bodhis old A11g f3s and my Spacebomb seeds.
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You’re not the only person who says the latter years were different…
Either way I learned countless things from Subcool and his methods of growing.
I will always look back on those days with a lot of fondness.
R.I.P. Subcool.
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Does anyone have any original jack skellington packs?that ones been on my mind lately.
I was wondering where they went. Sorry to hear brotha.
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Probably the trash can. Hahaha
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I will definitely be following @MonsterDrank advice on the Liquid Karma before trying to germ these seeds again, granted I went direct to soil, no presoak or paper towel. Definitely hope we get better luck next attempt! 
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I grew TGA seeds about 2009-2010 and even back then I thought that it was very hit and miss. Off the top of my head I grew Qrazy Train, The Void, Pandoras Box, Jack The Ripper, The Flav and Vortex. I didn’t grow enough of all of them to really have an opinion as both Qrazy Train and Pandoras Box I only got males as I only germinated about 3-4 seeds of each pack.
The Void was really bad, I only got plants that wouldn’t get me high at all which is quite rare. I only grew out 5 seeds of the pack and gave the rest away as I couldn’t smoke it.
The Flav gave nice plants but all 4 females I got threw male pollen sacks both as seed plants and the clones off them but it was a quite uniform variety as they all had the same strong smell only it reminded me of washing fluid perfume and smoking it gave me a headache.
I had one JTR that was pretty decent smoke and yield but nothing special compared to many other things.
Vortex was the one I was really hoping for something good in as it was an Apollo 13 hybrid crossed to something that should be half C99. Sub always said it was so stable in type and I agree but sadly the most dominant expression was the bland one which weren’t bad pot at all but also nothing special compared to a lot of other things. I found two females out of that pack though that were pretty good. One was exceptional as a seed plant but not as good from the successive clones. The other was a really good production plant and very good to clone but I built up tolerance to her quite potent effect quickly.
some pics of the expression I really liked, she was very lemony with some haze like smells when smoked…
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The other phenotype of Vortex which I called ”the production pheno” as it was quick, had a decent yield and nice potency. The one I developed tolerance to quite quickly though but it was a breeze to grow. Colors due to me fading it out quite hard but it was even better grown like that…
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Hey @Slammedsonoma420 , have you tried aloe vera for starting seed? I use to use all kinds of different techniques but now it’s down to an aleo soak till they pop, then straight to medium. I’ve had great success since adopting this procedure.
The water turns pink from the aleo, I don’t know why.
Hit me up in PM if you want the recipe.
On the topic of sub cool, I grew out a several full packs
and found the plants to be hit and miss. There’s definitely good ones to be found, but you had to run through some numbers to find them. I had a Killer Grape that was a crowd favorite a few years back and kept that clone around for a while. I think I still have beans I made from that one.
Anyhow, best of luck with your starts !!
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thanks for the tip, ive read about the aloe but havent tried it yet. ive had really great success with just water, until these seeds. ill walk the neighborhood today and grab some aloe! do you have a specific amount aloe/water?
i also picked up some of the botanicare that @MonsterDrank recommended, it should be here mid week.
so far it looks like one of the deep purple finally cracked open, i can see a white line running through the seed but no tail yet. same with one of the 3D. so its 0/9 but we may have some really really late germs. wont give up on them as i dont need the sprout cups/heat mat for anything right now.
everyone have a great weekend.
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If you’re seeing even just that white line I’d say they are at least partially viable and you will probably get a few plants for sure.
Good to hear that you will have some success, as I have so much 3D to run through myself plus so many others I’m dying to get going that I never got to run back when Subcool was still around.
I’ve been thinking a lot about Dairy Queen, 3-D, Jack Skellington, and maybe more Querkle since I have plenty of those babies.
But JTR was one of the first packs I got from Producers overstock, so maybe I should run those too, I haven’t seen anyone run it in a very long time.
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only 72 and 96hrs. lol. we will see what happens. the next test will be with aloe and another with botanicare.
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I finely slice around 2-3" of a aloe "finger " and add it to a couple cups of freshly boiled water to create a sort of seeped aleo tea. Be sure to include the skin as that’s where the concentrated seed poppin goodness lay. I use a spoon to squeeze the skin against the side of the bowl a couple few times as it cools. Once it’s room temp, give it a good whisking and then strain the aleo bits out and divide the remaining water into your shot glasses, add beans, keep at room temp and wait. Seeds will not drown. I have left some up to 4 days before they pooped but usually I see germination action in 24-36hrs. Best of luck!!
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thank you very much, i will be aloe hunting today. lol they are everywhere so it wont be hard. i will make up some of the aloe tea and if none of these 9 germ i will give the aloe and botanicare a side by side test.
thanks again for all the suggestions!
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I keep an aloe going inside for the soul purpose of making seed starts. I guess it looks cool too.
Hey @Slammedsonoma420 , maybe do half in the aloe tea and half with the botanicare as to not have all your eggs in one basket, so to speak. Plus it would be cool to hear the results of a side by side. Just a suggestion, totally your call of course.
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Yes that would be the plan. A few seeds in each, I would not be mixing the two. I will keep everyone posted. Don’t want to give up on these soaking just yet.
Have a great weekend
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