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Down side if you do both in and out door your indoor count is reduced significantly.
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if he doesnt want to do it for any reason there are sites you can pay for a script its what i do. but can be little pricey upfront. you just have to pay and do a skype meeting. i would look into all the free ways first.
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imo there should be no plant count and go by area instead. i run sometimes up to 70 plants in a 4x8 area. i am allowed 144 plants. allows me to do my 4x8 table sog, keep up to 10 moms and pheno hunt, most times i have 60 in table 15 pheno hunting 5 moms and then another 60 starting as clones 3 weeks before harvest. i absolutely know many who have been using the plant count and doing full basement runs bed rooms etc. with 300+ plants. we all know there not using it medically and now lots are quitting because no one wants there meh quality stuff that is quick dried for sale.
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Getting it adjusted for indoor and outdoor drastically reduces your indoor plant count.
I have an indoor only license . Anyone with one is still allowed to grow their 4 rec plants per house hold. I plant out 4 that I want to keep the genetics around each year. My outdoor doesn’t get to finish , but I take cuts before they flower , to run indoors .
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BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA!
Almost spat out coffee!
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Yeah and that’s the problem, everyone knows they are not using it medically. It was a hard fight to get medical licences in place and even harder fight to get legality for recreational. Since it’s clear some are abusing the medical program it gives law enforcement ammunition against the legal growers.
Now I personally don’t think the government should be dictating whether or not I should be growing plants nor how many I have but this is the way it is and many of us have worked things out to legally meet out medical needs. People that mess with that system just make it harder on the rest of us. Just my thoughts as someone still trying to get a pardon for a pot conviction that has been messing with my life for over a decade.
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When I looked closely at the ‘rules and regs’ they dumped on us and ‘followed the money’, I came to the conclusion that the government was only interested in setting up revenue streams for themselves (AKA taxes) and their friends. A secondary function is tracking folks.
There is far more sensible legislation is many US jurisdictions they could have drawn on - but they didn’t.
Yuck, this is harshing my buzz… I better stop now… 
Cheers
G
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This is what I did… Paid $150 cad for 49 plant count. 1 Skype call & Done.
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Does anyone know the actual lineage of the strain mikado?
From an article about the origin of northern lights. Nl#5 pure strain | MrNice
The Sweet Pink Grapefruit that Breeder Steve used to create his Sweet Tooth seed line is also allegedly an old school Northern Lights #1 cutting from British Colombia. Federation Seeds Mikado is also thought to be a reworked version of the Spice of Life Sweet Pink Grapefruit.
From breeder steve himself, mikado is just a renamed sweet pink grapefruit.
I posted the whole article here, but the part i mention is about 3/4 in.
I decided to write this letter in response to the growing number of inquiries regarding my whereabouts, and the whereabouts of my seeds. Nobody can tell you I got tired of breeding cannabis, I got sick of the business.
The only people that truly understand the dedication and expense of conscientiously growing for seed are people that have done it. Selections require a lot of space, both indoor and out. Certainly the selection process is what I enjoy most about cultivation. Most growers consider such crops a luxury, or at least a necessary evil. The average grower is working for max yield of sinsemilla that is where the money is. This is achieved through systematically replanting identical clones from a high-yielding selection.
Luckily for most growers they will probably get clones from someone who has already discovered it while growing a selection from seed. The grower is rewarded for providing other people with what they don’t provide for themselves.
That’s cool, not every puffer is a gardener, for whatever reason. I never dreamed of producing mass quantities and raking in a bundle, just to grow my own and share it, as I like.
Factory-like repetition may be the rule of production, for this is how things get built; just consider laying bricks, or weaving a basket. When personal stash is the motivating factor for a grower yield concerns are secondary to quality concerns.
Prior to the retail revolution in cannabis seeds in the Canadian market, many growers gladly traded seeds and clones from their travels and selections. No one had a proprietary interest in “guarding” his or her genetics, every good specimen was proudly shared among all brave enough to continue the age-old act of cultivating good grass.
Distinguished London, Ontario cannabis activist Chris Clay was the first in repressive Canada to stand up for our rights as growers and smokers and openly sold both clones and seeds in Canada’s first hemp store.
The Great Canadian Hemporium. Chris always had the tasty as well. Around the time the cops and courts shut him down Marc Emery was taking up the flag in Vancouver. Marc was no stranger to controversy and courts, as an alternative bookstore owner also from Konservative London Ontario
Marc supported banned publications and free speech such as a banned album from the infamous “2 Live Crew”. Marc published an alternative paper and wrote most of it. Being high in high school at the time I thought he was pretty cool talking about the evils of The People’s Institute of Education and so on.
Soon he would sell High Times and The Emperor Wears No Clothes. After boring of London Politics Marc and family did a stint in Southeast Asia where they eventually got a not-so-boring taste of Indonesian Politics. Returned to Vancouver practically destitute. Made his start selling High Times door to door. Then he was able to continue to sell the controversy around hemp and highness at Hemp BC.
In Vancouver, Marc’s boundless energy and enthusiasm for cannabis was fuel for an already largely hip populace. That dude sold a lot of bongs, and his seed catalogue progressed from one, then two, then three strains to probably more than three hundred.
After Marc was busted for the first time selling seeds, I wanted to do something for him. I went downtown Vancouver and I told him, “I have no pictures or samples but here is a film canister of one of my seeds in the spirit of donation if you have the heart to continue selling seeds.” He took off the lid and looked at those big fat dark coconuts and told me excitedly, "Make all the seed you can!
Marc gave me some of the seeds that he was selling. The germination rates were low and the finished product of those that did grow did not impress me enough to keep clones. I knew I was the pickiest of puffers and so began the beginning of my seedy career. For five years I had been saving seed of every favourite before I moved to BC.
I grew outdoors mainly until then. There I moved indoors for five years after experiencing the cunning ruthlessness of the prevailing herb pirates. Up until my first fall in BC I had never lost plants to humans. I still don’t really think of herb thieves as human and treat them accordingly. People that try and take from you what is rightfully yours are the most contemptible beings on the planets, whether it is your work, your freedom, your loved ones, or your life. Your nightmares will come true when WE get back at YOU.
As far as why Spice of Life Seeds have been unavailable for over a year and a half, it is because I had become simply too hot to continue growing. After Marc lost a huge consignment of Spice Seeds (that were not to be stored in the store, by agreement!), I had to tell my satellite growers, five houses and five strains, that they should plant their next crop for sinse. I had to do crazy things to keep up my payment schedule to them as a point of pride. I never want it said I left someone hanging. To Marc’s credit he did an admirable job of keeping the business together through those turbulent times.
The only thing besides my loved ones and my ganja that seemed a worthy expenditure of my valuable energy was to promote economical and environmentally friendly ways of producing gourmet vegetables and fruits. I was actually compelled to start keeping a line of broccoli and a few of tomatoes that were happiest in my bioponic system and really I knew all of that time that all I wanted to do was to start doing selections of cannabis again, to straighten out some current favourites to the point that they could be my finest work. I was elated when I got a phone call inviting me to breed cannabis legally in Europe.
I had pretty much sworn off the business due to the prevalence of knockoffs. It was easy for them, I gave anybody clones of my favourite plants and likely still will. I firmly believe that there will never be too much high quality cannabis in this world, and that there is already way too much shit.
I told Marc after numerous business ethical conflicts, e.g. Say “Sold Out” when a popular seed is unavailable; do not advertise to sell what you don’t have. People were ordering Spice and receiving replacements, or deceived, not cool. I was and am still friends with many of Marc’s employees and was often shocked at what goes on. Still am. I put together and made popular a brand name Shishkeberry, which achieved much acclaim.
One of Marc’s ex-employees that came to work for one of my businesses actually stole two shipments of my seeds before he quit the shop and now kicks back making a tidy living as Cash Crop Ken. He wrote up what he thinks he knows about them, and together with his fence, Marc Emery, exploit the name Shishkeberry that I developed and popularised. In a civilized country I could successfully sue them, but in the cesspool of Marc Emery’s current seed scene acts like this are everyday business.
Take for instance some of his employees working for shit wages and growing some good grass in their basement, thanks to clones from me they finally could actually get high from what they grew. These desperate boys are calling themselves Federation Seed Co. Let me set the record straight: Cotton Candy = Sweet Tooth, Island Sweet Skunk = Sweet Skunk, Mikado = Sweet Pink Grapefruit.
These are popular clones I’ve named and let loose. They claim to have developed them “over the years”. Flash-in-the-pan seed company might have been a more appropriate name; they’ve already crumbled due to a combination of incompetence and shame. Just having my clones does not mean they know how to produce accurate seeds of them when they attempt to reproduce them “over the years” I had long ago told Marc when he asked, that I was not interested in doing knockoffs of others’ work, in name or substance.
I claim what the heritage is of my seeds, to give respect and credit to our predecessors, but I develop something original. Marc was also fairly informed that if he began selling knockoffs of my work I would never, ever, ever sell him seeds again. I laugh at him now when he says, “Well, not everyone wants the knockoffs. Sell me more seeds, I’ll pay cash.” The last deal we made was I erase his crushing debt and he gives Spice of Life free ads for life. He has cancelled that deal as well, but I don’t feel too bad writing it off anyway because it’s for the cause.
When I was shutting down seed ops for non-payment of seed, Marc was off to Cuba with his new girlfriend. I was Breeder Dave at one time until “a typo” changed that. Cannabis Canada published my home number and therefore address eventually. I have been arrested partially with his help, and contrary to my wishes. While Marc has pled guilty for the cause I have been fighting in court for a head’s innocence.
Laughing Moon launched themselves with a tidy purchase of Spice but that was a long time ago now they are selling their versions of my strains as my strains. Impostors such as Dubious David “Freedom” of I-don’t-know-what-the-fuck-he-calls-it-now.com who never paid for his small order should be avoided, as should Derek the dongblaster who never even had any Spice but claimed to be the exclusive distributor.
The Amsterdam Café owners, on the other hand, are always fair and honest to deal with, my regards ladies, kudos to you. They are roses amidst the snakes in the grass. Marc was so pissed I won’t ever sell him seeds again that he screamed at me, “I made you, you would be nothing without me!” I earned my reputation with quality. Marc had it in for me since the time about two years ago when he asked me to run the Seed Desk at Hemp BC. The offer was generous enough but a desk is not my cup of tea. Smelling the roses is. He asked ten times and then became rude. He couldn’t stand that I wouldn’t work for him.
To avoid confusion, until further notice, doubt the authenticity of anyone selling Spice of Life Strains except the Amsterdam Café, legendsseeds.com, and seedbank.to. We appreciate it when you bring fraudulent seed dealers to our attention. The Spice of Life name has been synonymous with quality for the last five years and I will not abide its abuse by poseurs. I’m very happy to be back at work now and look forward to bringing you the best I can. As for the price increase the truth is that the cost (and scope) of my experiments have grown incredibly, believe me when I tell you that up until now and still I have not made any money in breeding, it has been an expensive hobby.
However it is my passion and I do what I have to do to afford it. Lots of people aren’t in it for the money and I can appreciate that, however I would love to be able to spend ten million on a state of the art facility, a monument to cannabis in a stable country. It would be a dream playground for the committed into the future, don’t you think? Working to improve plants by cultivating and collecting plants from seed is a noble calling, greetings to all who ever did so with integrity.
Sinserely Steve
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Found some answers in a thread on icmag.
a response from marc emery
#419137 - 01/21/03 05:23 PM Re: Strain Scams Mr. emery!
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Steve wrote that up three years ago. Steve isn’t telling you he did get paid for all his seeds, and Steve has had a difficult time working with anyone for long. I mean, how does a guy do 5 years of mass cultivating in Switzerland and have nothing to show for it?
Steve is a wonderful character, but no one can work with Steve for long because…he’s a character.
I am very glad Cash Crop Ken, the Federation, and others have carried on with strains Steve was unable to. Steve didn’t invent these strains, he popularized them, or rather, I popularized them, under Spice of Life. He received cuttings like Sweet Pink Grapefruit and calls it his, well, it isn’t his, he just ‘named’ what was already going around. Sweet Pink Grapefruit is MIKADO, but Mikado has been available for 6 years and Grapefruit has not. The Federation are very conscientious and their stuff is good and consistent. Steve can never make the claim of consistency or reliability because… he is a character. In fact, Steve doesn’t have an original cutting of his original Shishk (its Blueberry crossed with a yellow and red Afghani) but I still do, its entered into the 2003 Toker’s Bowl as the original Shishkeberry, but Steve & Legends are happily entering the Ultimate Indica from themselves.
I am EXTREMELY GLAD Federation produces four strains that Steve had but discontinued. I am very glad CCK has perpetuated the Shishk.
No one ‘owns’ any strain of pot. Virtually every single strain from Greenhouse for example is a match for a Sensi Seed strain, in fact, most strains ciruculating in Holland under the major brands for example are identical replicas of Sensi Seed Bank inventory. All the players in Amsterdam know this. No one owns pot cultivars, they are there for the duplicating, tinkering, altering or mass producing.
Certain things can’t be imparted, a green thumb, a good palate, an eccentric and lovable personality (Steve), these are unique.
Steve wrote that piece long ago and maybe wishes he hadn’t. I don’t want to rebut it point by point because all those issues were resolved or dealt with, but they aren’t relevent today. If anyone has further questions about it, I’ll be glad to answer them.
Marc
And some input from Ryan Lee aka Chimera
https://www.icmag.com/forum/icmag-vendor-forums/seedbay/185875-federation-seed-company
The sweet skunk clone wasn’t even selected by steve… so who really knows the heritage. According the the cannabis cowboy, Steve showed up with a half dead clone in a paper bag at the cowboy’s place… a customer had brought it in to Harvest Springs and told steve it came from the Sweet Skunk seedlot and produced something special. Steve asked the cowboy to try to make sure it lived… and it did… but the ‘chain of custody’ is pretty weak as far as authentication. Additionaly, the ‘supposed’ NL X Haze plant which was passed onto steve as clones, were A) supposed to be female and B) labelled Big Skunk. All this tellms me, it could be ANYTHING.
The genetic tests I ran on the SS showed clearly no markers associated with the SPG- so it’s not related to the GF. Phenotypically, ANYONE who has grown more than a few dozen plants from seed will tell you that they share absolutely ZERO in terms of similarity… and to say otherwise I would suggest is proof you havent grown the real clones.
As far as Steve’s claims about Fed- they are clearly speculation based on one of steve’s many angry cocaine rants. Mikado is grapefruit based… in fact I am sure it is based on it originally- I’ve grown about 15 packs and some sure do smell exactly like the grapefruit (aka the only thing to grow)… which steve can’t make ANY claim to… he renamed it… perhaps we should we more accurately call him re-namer Steve? SOTF is so concerned about saying steve was an innovator, but the reality is ALL of his westcoast seeds (aka Not the Jolly Rancher which he brought out from Ontario) are based on CLONES he was given from people growing sinse. So how is that any different that Federation? It isn’t.
Harpocrates is correct… I’ve never seen a true representation of grapefruit in the #3 … the GF clone is HIGHLY homozygous, and the chances of finding a true grapefruit specimen in any backcross line is next to ZERO. As far as the #2 being stable that’s just a laughable joke. Red told me that the only plant that looked even remotely like the gf in the Swiss warehouse was the Bx2P1 male… and thus it was the obvious choice to use. Read the description of the Swt#3 … it says clearly in the description that it is based on the ‘taxonomy’ of the grapefruit… that statement is so laughable to anyone that knows what taxonomy means… do yourself a favour and go to dictionary.com and read the definition of taxonomy.
The cotton Candy was unstable and obviously a poly-hybrid… but from population based RFLP analysis shows a very low number of the markers that are also seen in the GF … ie - no significant degree of shared similarity. Steve claiming the Cotton Candy was Swt is nothing more than resentment based speculation.
Fed had some great stuff. From all reports Mike was a decent guy, and had some bad luck in the game and has since moved onto to other things. To say with finality that Fed’s gear were nothing but hacks of Steve’s seed is both a disservice to the truth and Mike’s reputation. Fed seed may have not been the most stable but certainly produced some fantastic plants in the Celestial Temple Sat and early Romulan generations, among others.
Respectfully,
Chimera
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I was reading this recently actually. Great read
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I have to question the validity of his claims to royalty.
Cannabis is supposed to make people happy. These guys come off as angry.
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I briefly met emery for like 10-15 minutes in 2007-8. I was working for a Bc based grower paying off my sisters debt she incurred after bad money management and a raid… just the way marc interacted with girls creeped me the hell out and I’ll leave it at that
The black market wasn’t as cool as we all remember, I worked two summers in Bc so those people would leave my sister alone
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That’s downright noble of you.
I met the guy once in 2002ish, he was doing a smoke-out tour at police stations across the country. Couldn’t say anything good or bad about the guy based on that single interaction, but it was lots of fun smoking out front of the police station as the cops stood and watched.
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Honestly I always felt he was a bit of a douche. He made a fortune and every time there was a hint of trouble he pulled the “giving medicine to patients” crap. Never really talked about the huge profits he made off those same medical patients. Where was his compassion for medical patients when he was picking up the buckets of money every day. He always just felt like another dealer who claimed to be doing things for a higher purpose when in fact was just fleecing folks for profit. Kind of like the government 
Oh man, what a rant, I need to get home to smoke a joint 
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Thanks man, I don’t respect bikers anymore.
I turned 18 in 09 slaved away 16&17’s summers
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He was no prince, the guys a real piece of shit on many levels.
But i think its undeniable he had a big impact on the cannabis scene and we all live in the wake of that
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The criminal pricing of his seeds in Cannabis Culture magazines had me convinced I would never be able to afford to grow my own 
While trying to make himself into some sort of cannapolitical figurehead 
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