You are not questioning you are harassing me and the growers in this chat. You are abstructing growers from learning sir. Have a great dayđ
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Iâm not saying your product doesnât do itâs job, butâŠ
Oxidation is the sole mechanism of Cannabis and everything good in it.
Oliec > linoleic > hexanal > hexanoic > olivetolic > thc
Yes children, the hay smell (hexanals/hexanols) is a precursor to the major cannabinoids. When you smell hay, the hexanol has stopped oxidizing into the plantâs natural aromas, and major cannabinoid production has ceased. Avoid the hay smell to avoid this hiccup in quality.
I know some people like to read some stupid shit from Ethan Russo, or listen to some regenerative soil peddler talk about potpourri aroma therapy, or once heard Subcool tell his weednerds that myrcene = skunky purps, but itâs simply bad info.
Cannabis flavors are not the product of monoterpene synthesis. Cannabis flavors are the oxidation product of acids in the plant (just as the Cannabinoids are). Iâve characterized and catalogued them all and double checked my work, twice. Thereâs nothing interesting about the 16 canna lab terpenes that people are trying to preserve, except for caryophyllene which everyone under 30 claims to hate anyway, and definitely doesnât need to be froze.
Every once in a while a hemiterpene plays a role, connecting to an -SH group cleaved from cysteine. Prenol + -SH = 321MBT for example. Prenol is the most interesting, actually the only interesting âterpâ from the methyl erithritol phosphate pathway other than geraniol pyrophosphate. Every other hemiterp is from branched chain aminos, isovaleric acid (cheesey feet) for example.
We know what makes dead bodies smell. We know what makes arm pits smell. We know what makes garlic smell. We know what makes skunk spray smell. We know what makes weed smell. Itâs not refrigeration. Itâs not preservation. Travel to the old country some day, visit some crypts of your ancestors, before the use of formaldehyde. Many of them still stink after hundreds of years, unless they are mummified by the dry airâŠ
Please explain to us why oxidation of fatty acids is a bad thing, when itâs the sole reason anyone produces Cannabis?
Letâs see⊠Which pathway produces the âbotanicalâ âfakeâ terps that everyone hatesâŠ
And which pathways produce loud ass sensual soul grabbing naughty smelling weed flavors that you can actually taste and correlate with pharmacological efficacies?
LOX stands for lipid oxidation enzyme.
A properly grown Cannabis crop will continue to produce cannabinoid and flavor precursors, and cannabinoids and flavors, quicker than they are being broken down, for months, years after harvest. This logic is lost on the modern Cannabis scene for one glaring reason: No one is producing properly grown crops anymore. (And yes Iâm generalizing, I know at least one of you, surely, has to believe in curing; the climacteric respiration, the oxidation that brings out each strains characteristics.
But seriously, most crops seen in America are not even hitting level 1 on the plant health pyramid. Worries about jumping to the top of that pyramid. Look around. Fake terps. Crops dedicated to spray on terps. Why is there a market for this shit? Why does it take 2 crops to produce a Marijuana anymore?
Thatâs why the modern Cannabis scene is so confused about the origin synthesis and fate of all their favorite flavors from the past. That and the fact that Cannabis labs test for, market, and misattribute positive qualities to deadweight volatiles that exist in Cannabis quite literally as backyard breeding flaws.
If you got the lipids and proteins, and proper cofactors, your bud will continue to improve for a year after harvest, by one mechanism and one mechanism only⊠OXIDATIONâŠ
I am the voice of the defenseless. And today I am defending oxidation. So much poorly produced weed being kept in cold storage itâs insane what happened to this crop as legalization began. We went from âFeed da precursors not da terpsâ to âgrow da biomass, spray da perfumeâ in one generation.
PS the reason dehydrators work is because most of you in the Americas are harvesting moldy ass weed, which triggers hexanol production. Dry that moldy shit out as fast as you can.
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Me asking you to better define your ideas is harassment?
As someone with a âlab backgroundâ, I wanted to know more details. You responded with insecurities. Itâs not on me to prove you right. You can look at my post history. I definitely can be an ass, but I donât feel like one in this situation. I very clearly asked you to better describe the reactions your product is built around. You told me I was clueless and youâre the grower. So I asked for a log or pictures and you told me to go to the Internet, which apparently we arenât using now. I didnât respond aggressively. Like I said before, I am looking for clarity. Iâm not interested in an argument with you. Iâm interested in the data you used to make the claims your making. The data you havenât provided. Your site shows coaâs and said the same strain was used. There are no dates on your 2018 âstudiesâ aka coaâs. Also the hang dry sample tested positive for mold. The herbs now one didnât. Are you claiming your dehydrator will stop mold, too?
My dude, I asked questions. You didnât answer them. Iâm not against you speaking your truth but I expect it to be backed up. Just like if I were to come make claims, people would expect me to back them up with something other than my insults
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When the majority of compounds oxidize they become a âlesser verson ofâ maybe some of these lesser versions have some advantages but over all as time go by we retain less. In other words things do not get better they go slowly down hill. This is not talked about because it does not fit the cannabis community narrative.
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I offered you grassroots info that killed the slow and low drying method and you try to debunk it. Hey do not think this is my first rodeo with someone like yourself. What will make you happy? A peered reviewed study? A group of scientists? A fat article in hightimes mag? Oh, oh Snoopdogg on the beach drying in a bud dryer or maybe the Jungleboys? Im the first grower to show what we been told to do is not the best way to get it done. Now that is a big plate of crow for these so called âexpertsâ to eat. But I assure you 100% we are winning. I would not be here if this method was not doing better. This is why I made this dryer. I drew a line in the sand as to what a perfect dry down is and made a custom dryer to boot. Im sorry you do not like my info but it is real. GrowWeedEasy confirmed my lab results 5 years agoâŠAnd I quote!! " I do not know how it works, it goes against everything we been told AND IT WORKS" I do not have time to argue with you. Im here to help other growers with their drying. If you do not like what I have presented move along.
Have a great day.
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Thatâs a great place to start.
You never offered me any infoâŠjust your schtick.
Right. Okay.
That wouldâve been a good place to start. This answers my question. You donât know. I appreciate your honesty. Keep working towards it. Also⊠you donât know how I dry? I never once claimed superiority or even described what I do⊠just asked you to explain your position. Your info can be as real to you as you want it to be, bud. You keep trying to involve me in some argument. Iâm not interested in making this personal.
Take care, friend.
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Donât tell people to move along outside your vendor sponsored thread. Thats not how this works. Iâve actually used a dehydrator many times to dry my bud, I can vouch for the method but donât act like youâre some genius that discovered a new fundamental theory of life. You can dry your buds in a forced air dryer. No it wonât destroy your crop. Yes youâll lose a touch of terps but itâs not bad. No it will not dry your buds to a crisp.
Chill yo
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Not at all. Im just the guy who called all this BroScience out on to the dance floorâ:wink:Love itâ:clap:
Thank you for the
validationâ:fist_right:
You have shown nothing to backup what youâve said and infact seems like you may even be misunderstanding the terminology. Thereâs a forum called future 4200 that has GBâs of data on this subject because they focus on concentrates and extraction. This type of claim is for something like flash frozen buds for live resin extraction and that has nothing to do with smoking.
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I think you are misunderstanding. The info is very clear. Oxidation happens faster than thermal degration. Not very hard. Have a great day. 
Itâs reviewed there.
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Iâm good on quick drying my precious flower⊠Low and slow is the way to go folks.
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Interesting read. Thanks for linking. I realize i may have sort of unintentionally done this with my drying tent before with mixed results when i was first learning how to dry.
I had my dehumidifier sitting too close to due space limitations and was drying around 80f, 50-55rh with moderate air pressure in the tent (walls sucking in, semi restricted intake). Some plants would be ready to trim in 3-4 days, still terpy but some would be very mild.
Currently hang dry for 2-3 weeks depending on my time (at 60rh, and around 70-75f) and based on feedback from friends its working well. Currently all my plants reek compared to 50-75% (estimate) when i was drying quicker.
Not sure if this sponsor is affiliated with these people. Just read this article yesterday but havent had a chance to really dig into and evaluate their data or methods.
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Boom! This was EPIC! Thank you for posting. Yes, she tried to debunk the dryer but found out after thousands of dollars of testing that yes it works and works very well.
Iâm into science and breaking old habits, so I wouldnât be against checking these things out at all. If I ever come across someone in person who has one Iâll give it a try for sure. Too pricey for me to buy just to try it and then be out that money if I donât like it, but itâs super interesting to read about and look into.
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This was her summation.
** Overall thoughts on the Herbsnow dryer from my experience and talking to other growers whoâve used it:*
Positive
** Although the dryer doesnât seem better than air-drying, it does seem to get comparable results when used as directed. At least, the differences are difficult to measure or notice.*
** For growers whoâve been struggling with drying buds due to getting hay smell or mold, this may be a simple but effective solution*
Negative
** Avoid the HerbsNow if your air is dry. My humidity was around 50%, which worked well, but some growers have said they get poor results using the dryer in low humidity. You can put a shot glass of water in the bottom of the dryer to add more humidity, but for growers with low humidity, consider drying buds in a cardboard box or paper bag. That will keep a humid pocket around your buds.*
** Can only dry several ounces of weed at a time. If youâre harvesting more than about 6 ounces (dry weight) of weed at a time, you would need additional dryers*
** The price! This machine costs $200 for just one unit that can only hold a limited amount of buds. Considering itâs basically just a food dehydrator with reduced heat, that seems like a steep markup. That being said, Iâve ordered a few cheap food dehydrators with the goal of disconnecting the heating element to see if a DIY dryer would work just as well (or better) with no heat at a reduced cost. However, I canât seem to find a dehydrator that costs under $200 with trays that can be removed from the middle, which is a key feature of this dryer. Contact us if you have been able to DIY a dryer, or if you know of any competitors. As far as I know, the HerbsNow dryer currently doesnât have any competition so they have a total monopoly. As a result, they can charge whatever they want. I imagine once there are more options the price will start to come down. But for now, this dryer is definitely an investment!**
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What you call oxidation is missing important key steps.
The metabolic processes from CBGA>CBN is not just like switching a light off and on.
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You can try and glorify it all you want but it is a negative thing to happen. Get over it. The cannabis community has steered growers in the wrong direction for many years based on opintions and preferences.
All I said was that itâs more complicated than âoxidation.â No need to be combative.
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Im sorry if I sounded combative. Please understand Im the first to bring forward this data. It is VERY controversial. Kinda like the LED lights when they first came on the scene. Trust me when I say this. Someone dropped the ball a long time ago. If the data truly showed that low temp extended drying was better I would not be typing this my fellow grower. 
truth