I’d laugh in their face at 100. And play them a song. https://youtu.be/h0JvF9vpqx8
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In fall of 2009 I was paying 500 an oz for NY diesel. The medical law passed and in under a month I was paying same dude 275 an oz for the same weed. It was ridiculous.
I started growing in 2010, and that’s when I learned how badly I was getting screwed.
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Literally everyone that I’ve smoked with aside from cheap ass dude has said my weed looks like some shit on high times and were stoked af when I gave em normal local “loud” prices.
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I have not ordered from there.
My go to used to be
I always bought a q.p. at a time or more and they gave me about 20% off when I did so.
The quality was decent.
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Isn’t all dispensary bud like this already. I’ve checked my wife’s bud she gets from.the dispensary and there’s not a single trichome head intact on any of the outside of the bud. Either they are rough handling the bud, machine trimming excessively, or they are dry sifting the buds before package ORRR all.of the above, who knows.
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Yeah if ppl know you grow thats the biggest issue. They think it costs nothing and then next theyll think youre pulling metric tons from a 4x8. I go through same chit. Ppl here will go to dispensary and buy straight garbage for 50 an 1/8 then expect me to come off ozs for 100. Just not happening. I dont need the money i just think if they can pay 50 an 1/8 for trash i should be able to get half that price as a friend for much better quality. Otherwise ill keep it all. Which is where i been lateley. Ufk em all. Ill blow stupid loud weed n they can buy the dispo hype of the week. Now i only deal with 2-3 ppl other than that i give away more than i sell. Family i wont charge anything. Friends i ask half the dispensary price . Take it or leave it. If i run out the same ppl cant get me anything for the prices i offer them.
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From what I understand, it is machine wet trimmed. Most trichomes and sugar leaf are trimmed and used in pre-rolls. The rest dried and sold as bud. Fuckers are double dipping from the plant.
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Triple or more actually.
Buds, machine trimmed to save labor AND…
…knock excessive trichomes into the trim bin for…
…kief for extract products and…
…“green kief” for edibles & topicals
Most people have never seen or smelled a freshly - or even recently - cured bud to know the difference.
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So true, it really puts me up in the air about trim machines, but from what I’ve seen in person yeah it seems like it would take alot of the trichomes. Plus most of the dispo shit I’ve seen is always way over dried in my opinion (along with overpriced)
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Ever been talking to someone and they ask, “what’s curing?” Yeah….
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This post is a rant about indoor vs. outdoor weed and our faulty modern perceptions. I wanted to preface this post with a disclaimer:
-My own cannabis is only mediocre. I cultivate in high shade at near-sea level and cannot attain what I consider “quality”. It is only my acclimatized selections, grown at neighbour’s farms, which yield any decent smoke. That and my dry sift from outdoor breeding projects, gets me through the year without having to smoke the crap most people incorrectly call “cannabis”. I quote the following two posters, but am not replying directly to them or anyone in this thread. I am only using their price points as examples.
We’re not talking about ounces. We’re talking about cannabis; the sacred plant to heal the nations. The plant which gives all things. The holy herb. Ganja. Bhang. Lamb’sbread. Kaneh Bosem. You know–it’s been around for aeons, growing under the sun. That big thing in the sky that emits light information. The light information the cannabis plant uses to synthesize its diverse compounds, which deliver such unique and profound experiences. Isn’t that what we’re talking about?
Like a Rolex, right? We’re on here talking Rolex prices?
Or do $100 knockoffs count as Rolexs too now? Can Joe Shmuck chime in and talk about his local Rolex street prices? Not really, because it isn’t the same thing. Maybe if you lack the education to discern a real Rolex from a fake Rolex, you might believe you have a say in the conversation.
In this thread: overwhelming evidence of the fundamental misunderstanding of what is real and what is a for-profit imitation.
Put it this way: I want to make my grandmother’s cookies, so I better get out the xanthan gum, dextrose, soy lecithin, canola oil, palm oil, high-fructose corn syrup, enriched wheat flour, caramel color, and artificial flavor. OH WAIT! Those are not ingredients to bake a cookie. Those are the ingredients of mass-produced Chips Ahoy imitation-cookies. Well darnit. I really wanted to eat a “cookie”, and I hoped I could get the same thing by using a bunch of artificial ingredients. No wonder it doesn’t taste the same!
“Hi everyone. I’m the average idiot. I was so thoroughly indoctrinated by media messaging throughout my developmental stages, that my perspective of the world has been brought to the point of having no discernment or common sense at all. Watch me call different things by the same names, to reinforce the marketing that was successfully aimed at brainwashing me into consumerism.”
I’m writing a rant because this discussion needs a reality check: what goes in is what comes out.
-Was it grown with horticultural grade chelated fertilizers? Not cannabis. It is only a sickly imitation, with roughly 2% biomass comprised of heavy metals such as: aluminum, cadmium, chromium, copper, zinc, and arsenic. A Bic flame burns at 1900 C, vaporizing everything but the copper and aluminum. Yum. Enjoy inhaling heavy metals which are not filtered by the liver and are deposited directly in the grey matter of your brain where they accumulate indefinitely. Or just consume the concentrates from it, for an even earlier onset of alzheimer’s, dementia, parkinson’s, and other neurological diseases. Just like the real healing herb right, guys? It feels like a sponge and crumbles like dust, but I promise it’s real.
-Was it grown under artificial light? Let’s take away all that complex light information the plant needs to synthesize complex secondary metabolites for a complex high or a specialized medicine… and instead only focus on bombarding the plants with a few nanometers of high-density photons which were discerned only to drive biomass synthesis by for-profit tech companies trying to sell their parts and fixtures… Enjoy your one-dimensional generic stone. Who cares about unique genetics and effects, or evolution? Let’s just jam a few narrow wavelengths of photons in there and get weight!
Fact: You can’t get the real thing using artificial ingredients. You can’t experience complexity with a reduced diversity of inputs. It’s like trying to paint a landscape with two colors of neon paint; no matter how “different” each painting looks, it will never capture what is really there.
Fact: Anything grown using chelated nutrition is one-dimensional trash. Even medical grade scrubbed fertilizers–while they eliminate the bodily poisoning of heavy metals–still produces bland spongey hydro mids. You can’t get cookies if you’re using Chips Ahoy ingredients.
Fact: Anything grown under artificial light is trash. It takes multiple spectra of CMH/plasma bulbs to barely rise above the rest of them and achieve any nuance in flavor or aroma or high. And hardly anyone flowers under mixed CMH spectra; people just use like a 4200k for veg or sometimes late flower, and typically a 2200k to 3500k bulb for flower, to achieve bulk. All LED, HPS, MH, and single-bulb CMH (or any single-spectrum) flowering regimes produce a narrowed spectrum designed solely to drive plant biomass response. These lights are products sold by tech companies, specifically marketed to uneducated growers, engineered to produce biomass, so that cultivators are duped into saying, “Look at her grow!”
Their engineers design lights the way commercial tomato breeders breed varietals; how much biomass can we get out of it? Flavor? Nah. Aroma? Nah. Color? Nah. We ain’t smokin’ this shit. We’re just trying to make money by supplying a market demand. Doesn’t matter what end product comes out at the consumer. As long as everyone hits their ROI, it’s a success.
All while everything produced under these systems has like what–a 20 minute high? A narrow experience. A bland and blunt feeling. An uneasiness about it. It’s all drug-habit narcotic garbage for people who eat Chips Ahoy over clean baked Cookies and drink chemical-filled Bud Light over clean brewed Craft and smoke chemical-laden Cigarettes over clean grown Tobacco.
Cigarettes = Lung Cancer (because 700+ chemicals added)
Tobacco = Sacred herb
Cigs are the imitation meant to fool the unlearned into poisoning themselves.
Canned beer = Stomach cancer (because chemicals added; the wheat is sprayed with glyphosate and other nonsense)
Homebrewed / craft beer = You can contact the brewery and ask about their source ingredients; clean harvested crops make real beer. Many breweries farm some of their own inputs, or work with local farmers to source them. Passionate brewers with connoisseurship experience know quality.
Again, there is a real beer which has a historical tradition of brewing, and a modern product called “beer” which is a for-profit imitation.
There is a real Rolex, and there are the knockoffs.
For absolutely everything in this world, (including people) there are two versions:
- The real ones; the actual thing
- The imitation sold as the same thing
Tomatoes from the garden? Real as ever! From the supermarket? Bred for storage and transport and picked while green and ripened with ethylene gas. Tastes like water! But the cheapest price per pound you can find!
“But Dr. Zinko, how do these corporations get away with lying? Why are they allowed to call their product “Cookies” when it tastes nothing like the cookies humans have baked for centuries? Why are they allowed to call their product “Beer” when it tastes nothing like the beer humans have brewed for centuries?” etc. etc.
Well the answer is: lack of education and experience. There is a long history of clever greedy assholes on Earth. They work real hard to set themselves up with empires; corporations that care only for the acquisition of another dollar; a machine that can siphon from the public, and provide the benefactors with a higher standard of living; the rich who prey on the poor.
All of them are greedy selfish psychopathic fucks, eager to slap a lie on a colorful package, happy to provide poison to society. They jam commercials down our throats from early adolescence, when we are without fully formed critical thinking skills or any nearby intelligent role-models to explain to us the differences between real and fake. So as kids we started shoveling false/fake/imitation products down our gullets, and became accustomed to accepting trash labeled with a lie. All while year after year the ingredients get worse and the flavors and textures keep changing. And not once do we wake the F up and clue in and say, “Oh wait–I haven’t had an actual cookie since I was 8 years old. I forgot what cookies are, because I’ve been eating dusty ass Chips Ahoy garbage for two decades.”
The indoctrination and brainwashing we’ve been subjected to is so relentless and effective, that leagues of ignoramus will clamour to exclaim their adopted brainwashing. “But I love Chips Ahoy! But I love Bud Light! But I love Marlboro! But I love the “weed” my dealer sells me!”
And, having no taste or education beyond the brainwashing and repetition of consumption (often self-soothing coping rituals developed in adolescence), they will adamantly defend their deluded ideas on what cookies/beer/tobacco/cannabis are.
Congratulations! Achievement Unlocked: Adopt & Reinforce Corporate Messaging!
But no amount of using artificial ingredients amounts to authenticity. It cannot be argued or justified with “personal taste”. It is just sad when someone gets their ego/identity wrapped up in product loyalty.
“I’m more of an Advil, Adidas, Pepsi, Energizer person.”
“Well I prefer Tylenol, Nike, Coke, Duracel, so I don’t think we’ll get along.”
(Two morons getting to know each other.)
And what happens to the world in the mean time, when all the idiots stand up to shout, “I got my ‘cannabis’ for cheaper here than over there.” ? While every ignorant retard screams, “No no, the shit I’ve always had is the best. I haven’t tried anything else–but I know my shit is the best.”
Well, while idiots are defending their trash consumption habits, the cannabis farmers go out of business. The bakeries go out of business. The breweries go out of business. The tobacco farmers get regulated into oblivion, out of business. (Sound familiar?) And then generations grow up… without anything real. And what are we left with?
Fucking millennials. This grade-A shitshow we’re dealing with now. A society full to the brim of eager beavers wearing brand names without an interesting or original thought to contribute.
We (society) have to get our heads out of our asses and stand for something real.
Facts would be a good place to start.
Fact: Your cheap local crap is grown in rockwool or coco or promix or worse, under crap light, under stressed conditions, and loaded with heavy metals, grown and sold by sons-a-bitches. It’s an imitation smoke that fucks your system up like any artificial imitation does.
Fact: If it isn’t grown under sunlight, it isn’t cannabis. Just like a house dog isn’t a wolf. It’s a different product created by jabronies trying to make a buck off nature. It isn’t the sacred plant. It isn’t a gateway to higher consciousness. It isn’t the healing herb. It has been reduced, refined, adulterated, and shoved into a business model.
And what ends up on the street at the lowest price? The shit from the lowest growers; the assholes who literally treat the garden like an inventory, the cycle like an investment, the plants like a commodity. And that’s all it can ever become in their hands: a shit commodity at a rock-bottom price for uneducated bottom-feeders to stone themselves on. Buy your local GSC derivative, go home and get stoned. Munch out on Chips Ahoy, drink your Bud Light, and suck back a cigarette.
That garbage should not be called or compared to Cannabis. It isn’t even in the same stratosphere. Chemically, physically, traditionally, spiritually–worlds apart. Not akin in any way. Not even the color looks right.
And anyone who thinks the indoor their dealer or local dispensary has, hasn’t once been high for 3 hours off a half-joint of some organic sun grown. Just pure inexperience and ignorance is what supports the collapsing industry. Arguments from goons with their egos intertwined in the newly formed corporate traditions they grew up adopting, too close-minded to think for a second they ain’t got the real deal. They’re simple and content. Fine with smoking the lowest grade crap they can find, without an ounce of guilty conscience for the aeons of human tradition they undermine with their purchasing habits. Not a thought about their role in society; their responsibility to their ancestors who stewarded this plant; their responsibility to their descendants who will need it.
So when all you can find is 3000 strains that smoke like 2 different highs, don’t complain to the generations of cannabis farmers you put into poverty by buying prerolls and concentrates from hedgefund assholes. When you root for the bad guys and fund their evil selfish plans, don’t expect anything good to come from it on your end. Too eager to dive headfirst into quicksand.
Again, no offense to anyone here specifically. Although I’m sure a few indoor hydro heads think their weed is the shit and will jump at the chance to defend it, having not smoked a single cultivar that wasn’t descended from Afghanicas.
So in this community of cannabis growers (of all places), how about we stop comparing prices between shitty imitations and real cannabis? Can we stop comparing Apple prices to Orange prices? Because this is the exact bullshit practice that puts Apple growers out of business. I see it every week at farmer’s markets. The hard working farmers who give a shit about nutrition and food quality, trying to produce something real, watching people complain about the price. “Why is your organic lettuce you harvested at 4:30am this morning so expensive? I can get four-week old heads of lettuce that taste like water, shipped from Mexico for half the price.”
From the perspective of a career-long organic produce farmer: Watches as these people end up in a care facility with neurological diseases unable to feed themselves or remember their families or past. Or dies suddenly of heart disease or painfully from cancer. Well then–Great decision making, Mr. Thrifty Consumer. So glad you loudly criticized the healthy food I worked hard to produce as I went out of business.
That’s my neighbour Ian. Wakes up at 4am, four days a week to prepare for farmer’s markets. Hasn’t missed a single market in 22 years. Amends his soil religiously using Albrecht principles of mineral balancing. Barely making his mortgage every year. One bad season and he’s under. All while he cannot even call his own produce “organic”. Best tasting produce I’ve ever had. Been farming organically since the 70’s. And it breaks my heart to see the bastard work so hard and constantly stressed out about money, hearing customers complain about his modest prices. All of them ignorant of food production and nutrition, thinking what they buy at the supermarket is the same thing, not willing to even shell out the price to try something real.
So if people who love the plant aren’t able to get their heads out their asses and protect it–and instead choose to promote imitations–the result is wholly detrimental to cannabis and its cultivators everywhere, for decades to come. The sooner this ridiculous farce of an argument of “indoor vs. outdoor” is put to an end, the sooner we can fix legislation and societal norms and get this plant in the sun where it belongs; in every front and back yard, too common to be worth stealing. But the longer we have deluded fools saying their indoor imitations are the same as cannabis, the further we’ll be from having access to truly affordable truly authentic cannabis.
Anyone who wants to argue pro-Hydro, just remember your words in the coming decade. Just watch as international cannabis trade opens up and equatorial farmers get their crops into the North American market and their quality crushes what you thought was good weed.
You think we’ll be talking about prices per ounce, when Breeder Steve is already selling thousands of kilos of equator-ripened herb for $60/kilo? Get real buddy.
People will have access to imported flower from the equatorial nations which can grow it best, feeling new highs and tasting new flavors and smelling new aromas, feeling more stoned for longer than they ever have before, all for pennies a gram. Every indoor operation in North America is done within a decade of whenever international trade opens up.
But to everyone and anyone who is knowingly contributing to the systematic extinction of cannabis varietals by promoting fake imitations–go fuck yourselves with a vape pen.
-Dr. Zinko
PS. I won’t knock breeding work done indoors, except for the inferior seed quality and lack of environmental pressures which tends to propagate weaker selections. I actually see indoor breeding as a necessary temporary pivot in the history of the preservation of cannabis genomes. Like an emergency hospital visit. It’s just not supposed to be permanent or idealized–or even considered the same. No more than a coma patient with a feeding tube and an IV is the same as you and me. Emergency care of an organism =/= optimal care of an organism.
Alrighty. Rant over.
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I was with you to here…
So it’s millennials? In the last 20 years they have created all these huge multi corporate brands that are 60 years old? Oh… Wait… That was the boomers. Your literally blaming what my parents generations companies did, and what they did to the environment and for the dumbing down of the general population on a generation that has barely even gotten into higher politics?
Doc. Your misinformed and blaming the wrong people for the corporatization of America. Look at your boomer generation did, now we have to clean up your shit show of a mess AND get blamed for it? How did we do that in under 20 years, generations after these companies were founded?
Your generation that was too busy to be able to raise your own kids? Teach them traditional values? Make it so we have to go online and to YouTube to learn skills that your generation couldn’t be bothered to pass on?
My generation that is taking it upon ourselves to be didactic. My generation, that is finding and going back to the old ways of doing things and basing businesses off of it, are the ones to blame?
Your generation that has held the minimum wage stagnate for the last 20 years while inflation has increased, guaranteeing that if your not born into money you will be poor? Your generation could pay for college and a new car with a summer job, mine goes into 20 years of debt for an education that DOESN’T EVEN GUARANTEE A JOB.
But yeah, it’s millennials to blame…
I must admit I wanna smoke some of your herb because your hiiiiigh as hell.
See how stupid this generational blaming is? Get off your high horse talking about us. We inherited your generations fuck ups and now your retiring with all the money and leaving us to fight for pennies as we scrape out an existence.
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Well. This took an ugly turn.
I grow under lights in Promix and my shit is the bomb. I have smoked it all in my day. And yes, the bomb.
Gardening is a revolutionary act and I am self sufficient. That is very rare. I will one day be self sufficient in cheese and that will be a glorious day.
I grow my own so I don’t have to buy mediocre garbage from corporate scumbags or even just regular scumbags. I try not to buy any mediocre garbage, like mass market cookies.
There is just too much to unpack here but you seem very angry. Relax bro. You catch more flies…
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Cannabis grown under artificial light with salts is still cannabis. Any suggestion otherwise is psuedoscientific horseshit. If you don’t grow quality cannabis that’s on you full stop.(not to say you can’t get good but you’re gonna need to change your attitude about “nature” vs science). My indoor weed grown hydroponically under hid lights is every bit as good or better than good outdoor.
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Well said.
Take a large inhale - air or otherwise.
Hooooooold it
Exhaaaaaale.
Play nice.
@Foreigner - gardening is indeed a revolutionary act - Life-changing if you allow it to be. Has been for me anyway.
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This is a great example of the weedman being cool.
I’ve been growing organic for a decade, I’m 2/3 through my first (seemingly) successful hydro run. And it’s using nothing, pennies on the dollar in comparison of price, and easy too. I love my organic herb, but damnit if hydro doesn’t grow some beautiful weed.
I get angry when someone makes a patently false blanket statement about my generation in a derogatory way, while acting like their generation, which actually did that stuff, is blameless.
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I’m very confused as to why you responded to me with that. I never said it wasn’t or any of that lol
Love ya
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Brother….this is too lengthy and manic for me to want to dig deep, but one thing that jumps out is the slandering of indoor. We all can’t (or even want) to grow outdoor, and for a litany of reasons.
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