well, i never claimed that there are tall landraces in dry region.
i implied just that, : that greece is wetter , and alltho its QUIET dry, its still wetter than the other regions we talked…, hence it could have had taller landraces… How is that implying that there are tall landraces in dry regions?
It was your theory that greek musta been originated from Lebanon, not my theory…
I heard per example turkish seems to have ancestors in further north Europen Strains…
I would rather guessed greece aswell…rather than guessed it derivered from lebanese… why would irather guessed that ? because i have read genetical analysis based conclusions from one of these scientist if i remeber correctly…
but overall i wouldnt fimly say anything about Greeks anchestry, i only mention it as a reaction to your confusing last post, that i kinda imply lebanese anchestry, or whatever…
Not in the summer. Less than 3 inches of rain in the 3 months of June, July and August, in the baking Mediterranean heat is almost nothing. Maybe it’s from that old breeding program, from the days when there were fields being grown. No other Mediterranean basin cannabis is even 50% as large as Kalamata. Often far less than that. Reminds me of Sesame Street where they would show a bunch of boxes and ask which one didn’t belong. Even at age 6 I’d have picked Kalamata out of a weed line up
i told you in my first post, i give you a half point. but not a full one. for a full one you gonna find out at wich point of Dryness a landrace becomes shorter by wich amount…
you mande the theory of impossibility that kalamata is purely indigenous not i.
so its up to you to battle me pointing to the slightly higher rainfall counter argument…
i mean you made the theory, and i just said basically, or wanted to say: the slightly higher rain in greece in summer might be responsible for the massicely higher heigt… same as when humans eat FEW they might be relatively healthy… but when they aet FEWER than FEW it might have consequences… Consequences of mutations that cause them to grow smaller…
the point at wich these mutations occure, is up for you to proove if you want a full point.
so, you have to stick with a half point…
Further than that, its no rpoblem for me thinking that Kalamata has Greece mountain anchestry… or hemp anchestry… so i dont even disagree super much, that it might indicate other anchestry… i rather disagree when you try to make it look, like it musta be columbian anchestry… as if hemp is an impossible anchestry…
its all ok for this time. we are soley fighting about wether or not that amount of rain is causing this short mutation or not… and neither of us has brought evidence of such precision…
again, i give you a half point it MIGHT be so few rain to cause this mutation, but i give myselve some aknoledgement (lol) aswell that it MIGHT NOT cause this mutation, and it needs more drought than that…
Its that if a Stain in Greece grows really so high as you said (what did you say 30 feet ???)
then i would also think for this Mediterranean region that it might have Hemp, OR Multipurpose Genetics in it… In the tropics its another case if something grows that high, than in mediterranean Regions :where everything else grow relatively low, so there is no real advantage in growing super high… So its probably a Hampy/Multipurposal (long fibres) background in my thinking… Of corse columbian and so forth can always be background too.
well, ive seen an older greek strain , and a couple other greek strains … all grew slightly bigger than Lebanese, about 5 feet they grew. So, relatively small. Dunno if they were just planted too late, but yeah…
the small greeks define my picture of a greek strain.
I see on realseedcompany it grows 15 feet… so,seems some are higher than that…
There aren’t any farmed crops in the Lowlands of Pakistan that I know of. Just random plants, sometimes in a front or back yard. These can be large. @LandraceWarden any lowland farmed Pakistani left?
Greek Moliotiko can reach 4 meters. (18 feet)Cretan can too. The Kalamata height has been updated and is now listed as a bit shorter. It was also listed as 4 meters a while back.
Greek strains are to me an enigma. Why so large? On Crete the plants are grown in rocky Cliffside soil, nearly unattended. No or limited irrigation.
Having been a guerrilla farmer myself for 30 years, I can tell you that bringing water to an.isolated bush patch can only be done with great difficulty.
I say again that the size of several Greek landraces is out of place in the Mediterranean. Something else was added.
This is a good topic for its own thread.
See and this is one of the things I’m going to address in this strain I’m working on when I’m done with her I will be able to take a handful of seeds and broadcast them and walk away and come back Oct - Nov and harvest a whole stand! Her name is going to be "Miss Kitty " a working girl, she pays the bills! Lol you know like on Gun Smoke she will be able to handle long summer drought and late season rains, it’s alot like Greece as a matter of fact when I was reading the last discussion, I was like “no shit, that’s interesting” thanks y’all @Upstate and @romanoweed for real that’s good stuff there
I wonder what these strains looked like at a time when the middle east and Egypt where a totally different climate. Do these strains have any genetic memory left of those times?
For sure, they must. I don’t think the Middle Eastern climate has changed all that much, but Morocco has gotten much drier over the last 800 years, to the point that the plants began to flower earlier and earlier to finish making seeds before summer drought kills the plants, yet the Moroccan Beldia has decent mold resistance.
she will be able to handle long summer drought and late season rains, it’s alot like Greece as a matter of fact when I was reading the last discussion, I was like “no shit, that’s interesting” 
definitely it’s a double header! Super cool 
I’m outa likes and that deserved an at-a-boy! 