You good bro?
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The strawberry was about to be retired, it’s “gone”
There was no new drop since bogs passing, I set aside enough $ to buy all packs, never happened
(A couple packs were auctioned with new labels, I passed)
I did make a few though f2 and f3s and sitting on more originals 
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The sour strawberry has hardly been restocked compared to the more plentiful varieties. This is the list I got from BOG in October when I asked.
Blue Moon Rocks…OUT
Blue Kush
BOG Bubble
Bogglegum
LSD
LifeSaver
LifeStar…OUT
Sour Boggle
Sour Bubble
Sour Grape
Sour LSD…OUT
Sour LifeSaver
Sour Strawberry
Sour BluTooth NEW
Sweet Cindy
Sweet & Sour Cindy….OUT
The drops at SHN and amount of packs line up with the list for the most part and your email backs up why the Sour Strawberry hasn’t been stocked as much as others. It’s not in stock now while many others varieties are.
If you think they’re being untruthful then it is what it is. I wouldn’t feel comfortable not calling it how I see it then. From the casual outsider perspective it looks like you’re slandering others working or selling lines that you’re working, only they’re working or selling them with more provenance and resources and getting them to market sooner and already selling en masse.
The way you say it’s simple math and infer that anyone disagreeing with your perspective isn’t capable of comprehending something so simple is condescending to say the least. What’s said is said and the proof is in the pudding. It’s all here for hobbyists, enthusiasts, gardeners, and seed makers alike to make their decision on who and where to source their BOG genetics from.
What was that Icmag fam name drop even supposed to mean? Grape Punched has been a member on Icmag since 04, says you joined in 2012. There was a time when many of us had accounts on both Overgrow and Icmag at the same time. Jr has actual jars of original genetics from his actual dad, the actual breeder of the varieties except grape punch which he himself created. How many original packs does your hashtag fam have? I highly doubt they have more seeds than BOG left Jr. And if they’re true Icmag fam they would get them back to Jr to work with before you. BOG helped build ICMAG, even cruised around in Gypsy’s Jag. We’ve all read the stories.
As part of the community it’s discouraging to see this happening. BOG helped build Overgrow too. This is all incredibly disrespectful. You’re right, there not much love going on at all. There’s a certain sadness near.
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Icmagfam meant every one of those seedlines is source able from Icmagfam so if it’s me trying to come up off bog why I’m not making them all??
Talk shit all you want about me but run a seedsherenow sour bubble pack and tell me how it’s all 1 pheno basically . There’s a simple math explanation. I’m a target for noticing and saying so. Whatever brotha.
Tonygreen the con man, good luck selling that story.
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Slow down man, with everything happening at once, some people will have questions…
BTW, can you source sour strawberry bx1 testers f2? I will send you my best girl for some of those.
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He did mentioned that he was running some of the Sour Bubble bx2.
I couldn’t agree more with all you have stated @Sbeanonnamellow.
Seems as though @Tonygreen has done a good job pumping up his Valentines Day drop 
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No, he said he believes he had some BX2 and BX3 seeds and if he were to go pheno hunting those would be where he would start since all BOG’s parent plants are gone. At least that’s what I remember. What I got was that he is not currently working on anything except his 1 personal project that he has had going for a few years. He did not say what said project was. So currently there is no work happening to get the lines going again. There may be a collaboration in the future but no explanation of what that could entail.
I am not here to take shots at that man. He does not seem to have the same drive to growing that his father did. Could just be he doesn’t have the time due to whatever else is going on in his life or that he just doesn’t want to make seeds for a living. I am hoping either he or someone else picks up the torch to keep these lines alive but at this point all we can do is wait and see.
There are plenty of BOG genetics out there. I plan to keep making seeds which will satisfy me for years to come. BOG genetics are not going anywhere. What Jr. decides to do with the BOG seeds company is something that is up to him. I know what I would like to see but I don’t get a say any more then the rest of us do.
What I can say is thanks to BOG for all he left behind. Also best wishes to Pat who has now had 4 strokes and is currently in a nursing home with issues talking and swallowing. As for Jr. all I can say is I wish him well. I hope he decides to expand on things in the future but whatever he decides I hope it is a success for him.
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Grape Punched is Icmag fam and actual BOG fam. You’re brand is built around Sour Bubble and GG#4 not the other BOG varieties.
Why would someone want lifesaver or another BOG variety reproduced from you when it’s available from SHN produced by none other than BOG himself? Of course reproducing the other BOG varieties is not a play for you, but you seem to be trying to take the Sour Bubble throne for some reason and I’m not feeling it. BOG passed that torch to his son, not you. In the other thread someone said you called them a hurtful name and you doubled down saying if the shoe fits or something to that degree.
It’s noteworthy to me that you’ve picked a bone with two reputable sellers and seed makers bringing their integrity into question. That you’ve quickly resorted to name calling. You just so happen to be working a Deep Chunk release and words started flying not shortly after CSI released their Deep Chunk IBL ahead of yours, from a reproduction made with a ton of plants that looked incredibly healthy and has the community clamoring to add some to their collection. The irony is, CSI actually gives back in their own ways too!
I’m not here to talk shit, I’m pointing out what it looks like from the perspective of a casual observer and to share my difference of opinion for something I feel strongly and passionately about. BOG isn’t here and he was more than clear about wanting to leave something for his family in the form of seed stock. It’s clear that he valued his relationship with James at SHN. This isn’t right. BOG gave us so much and this is how we are remembering him? Unbelievable
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I’m all for sugar free back and forths.
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This just isn’t true, there’s many threads where you can read BOG interacting with @Tonygreen and helping him learn more about breeding Sour Bubble to keep. I think you’re assigning some sort of mystical powers of genetic inheritance to Jr just because he’s BOG’s son and ignoring the protege we all can see BOG sharing his knowledge and blessing with over years of work with Sour Bubble. Of course Tony was working on Gorilla Bubble at the time and not a Sour Bubble release but do you think BOG expected him to cast off all those SB genetics once the project was done? It seems obvious to me that BOG knew Jr wasn’t going to cut it as a grower and breeder to entrust his biggest accomplishment to in perpetuity.
This isn’t even that hard to imagine, look at DJ Short, he obviously is helping JD with Second Generation and that work is good, but he also is sharing his work with @Josh_Blue because Josh is doing a different thing, something more like DJs thing, working through the filial lines from the vaults and delicately changing combinations and parents to show the full range of expressions the Blueberry family and others are capable of. JD seems to be using his deep knowledge of the DJ lines to make parents and outcross to other genetic lines.
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This is what I’ve been thinking the whole time. Just couldn’t find the right words. @Dirt_Wizard
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If showing actual Sour Bubble expressions is pumping up work I wholeheartedly agree with your last statement.
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Ask Tom Hill who gave me permission to make DC. 
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Only words with CSI were a month after JW died and he dropped gg4 s1 against his word with JW to pay for speakeasy’s lawyer for oni
That’s a lot of long winded bullshit intended to make me look like a con, I just want to know where the phenos went my guy 
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BOG supported everyone working with his lines. He loved to see others working with his seeds and he encouraged everyone to make seeds of their own. He was also explicit in saying that he wanted to leave something for his family when he passes in the form of seed stocks so when people are insinuating that those seeds aren’t genuine or authentic it is taking a shot at the brand that BOG left to provide for his family. That is not cool.
I just expected more from someone who seemingly looked up to BOG and respected him, built their library on the back of his work. It’s a shame really.
@Tonygreen you’re missing the entire point. Neither BOG or @TomHill are the type to suggest you can’t reproduce seeds you purchased from them. You act like their blessing is advocating for you to continue their lines more than anyone else with their seeds. It’s not, they would say the same to everyone who has their seeds. Your email from Pat looked like the same genetic template they always sent, didn’t look like they were conversing with their chosen one. Get real.
Of course they will give a blessing to make seeds because you purchased them they’re yours. The way you say it makes it seem like you were the chosen one, that’s not how I see it and I don’t think that’s how the community will see it either. Neither BOG or Tom have the attitude of owning the plant, that they’re mere stewards for the time being.
And I’m not making you look like anything, just calling it how I see it.
So Tom and BOG are cool with you and everybody making seeds from things they actually worked on but nobody can S1 the GG#4? Wasn’t GG#4 created accidentally and not from an intentional breeding project? Some rules are meant to be broken. Should be thankful for the BOG and Chem genetics that made the GG#4 good in the first place.
Take the Sour Bubble out of the equation and what is in your library? The disrespect is wild.
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Yawn…. Where’s the phenos my guy? Maybe they’ll pop back up in the new bx3 seeds being made without a clone mom, who knows?
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You still living in bx2/3? They have been changing. You got a problem with that then you got a problem with BOG, they’re his most recent selections. You’re the only one that I can see saying it’s fake Sour Bubble.
I like to think I’m open minded and open to change of opinion when I’m wrong. I’m not the one saying the phenos are missing bro, onus is on you to back that up. You’re the one saying they’re all cornstalk imposter Sour Bubbles, got a link for everyone to see for themselves?
Or do we just have to take the word of a guy selling his own Sour Bubble based work?
I’m going to continue to believe the gentle kindhearted voice I heard on the podcast last night. I’m going to continue to believe James from SHN who supposedly donated a lot of money to Pay with the fundraiser.
How much did you supposedly donate to the BOGS?
Like I said I like to think I’m flexible and open to change my mind when I’m wrong. Maybe you have been secretly donating money to Pat and we don’t know about it. Doesn’t seem likely though with the way you’re going about things.
You keep bringing up the clone mom like you have the old bx2/3 mom. What does it matter if they don’t have it anymore if you don’t have it either? That mom had likely been gone for a while now and they had likely been working from new selections for the Sour Bubble that’s currently available which is probably the same seed stock BOG was selling as Sour Bubble before he passed.
Exactly what Jr said on the podcast, it wasn’t easy to find in the bx4 so going back to earlier generations. That should tell us that new selections had already been made by BOG for what they were and are currently selling as Sour Bubble, it wasn’t some hidden secret. It’s BOGS work man. It’s one thing to say you don’t like it, or that the selections didn’t improve the line in the newest BOG iteration of Sour Bubble, but it’s something entirely different to say they aren’t genuine BOG seeds and selections.
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You got a bunch of probably and maybe’s in there you are posturing as fact. Truth is always in the seed Math don’t lie, neither do segregating gens compared to combining gens. Oh I got it, I showed it and I know exactly what to look for. Smokin it right now as a matter of fact.
Do your own homework, believe whatever your perception tells you. I’ve not been ostracized for my position, only threatened with LEO. Your opinion is yours, buy all the seed you want sight unseen; I could care less. My opinion is also mine.
Let James bean tell it I only came around when bog died to profit off his name 
Talk about an agenda
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I was considering using some of my SHN credits for Sour Bubble, but after listening to that I’d rather wait and buy a pack of Tony’s. I wish BOG Jr. well, but it just doesn’t feel like that work is a primary focus for him.
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I didn’t listen to that show. It only takes once and that’s enough. Here’s my opinion. BOG’s enterprise is still in operation (via his direct bloodline Bog, jr). Looking to sell in competition with BOG’s parental lineage … whatever backcross, stock or not, or whatever the justification … is not a particularly great look.
If the man is not going to continue breeding or whatnot, the time will come. Provide a cross or something in the meantime.
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