African landraces and heirloom thread

73 Durban week 10 or 11


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Looking good there @Upstate
Couldn’t help but notice in your last photo how similar the plant structure,the red petioles,stems and even the leaves are almost identical to one of my KZN ladies I’ve got going at the moment…



Can’t wait to see how yours will look going more into flower.Heres a few of mine that are most further along.

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Very nice! Same landrace basically. Kwazulu is Durban.


Hope I get something like this beauty😁, but they all look good. Big resin heads.
Seeing Amy random ginormous heads on the leaves? Just here and there…?

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Yeah…
Durban not very far from me…
But good to see you got what I’d call proper Durban//Kzn…this is the stuff we grew up smoking //growing when I was younger.
Not sure what you mean by ginormous heads on leaves but got 3different plants.
1with very narrow leaves,darker green
Other two slightly wider leaves, lighter lime green in colour with the one like yours showing the red on stems and petioles.
Flower structure all three more or less the same-
Very resinous but only on buds.
Not much “sugarleaf” if that’s the right term.

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I mean, are you seeing any Supersized resin heads? … I was told or I remember reading a while back that the Durban I’m looking for has mostly uniform resin head size( big), but some scattered here and there that are just massive, located on the sugar leaves.

Thank the lord! me and this 73 Durban both turned 50 this year and I took that as a sign.
I have Love of Landrace Durban from the 80’s that I planned to grow this summer, but held off due to the 50 year " sign" . That other one is for next summer.
How many weeks into flower are yours?

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Lovely pictures @Skyf this plant looks at home.

What are the effects like?

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Ok I understand now
I’ll be honest havnt really looked to close for that but on this bud that’s full of seed the glands seem quiet large


I’ll take a closer look tomorrow and see if mine have any of those features
I’ll guess these have been in flower now for about 6weeks but it’s late in season and plants grow straight into flower without much vegging.

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Havnt sampled these yet
Will take the first seeded plant down in next week or so when seeds are done.
Our local sativas have a very clear headed//upper high.

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Thank you :blush:

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How old are the plants?

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I see on my first photos date were 22April
So one plant from about beginning of April
Next batch a couple weeks later

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Where Malawi was mixed with both Swazi ( swazi gold) and I suspect, Durban too.

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So maybe 10-12 weeks in?

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aah, upstate…

you want to tell me it matches with the rare occurence of you reporting a trade happend betwen countries?
every single country in your oppinion had a trade…

i can easily say, if that trade happend, each country just smoked the congo, each country therefore tripped…

you probably make a theory of needed outcrossing out of it… well have your theories, but better find good evidence… and god evidence against inbreeding as a potent thing. there are always pointers in this direction. or in the other… thats why i imho have the better conclusion: that i dont know …

so yeah, have your evidence found… i have some found too…

your Like on the overgrow site, just woke me up from sleeping. :grinning:

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Ya round about
I’m terrible at knowing when I planted and how long stuff takes…
They either fast or slow😂

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Potency is a interesting trait, like skin colour in people its additive inheritance rather than dominance inheritance at play, every population potency will cluster around an average value but some will be outliers, either higher or lower in Cannabinoids. This is the reason why thousands of growers over the years have been able to collectively increase the amount of THC, I.e. the rules of mendelian inheritance don’t apply and so selection for potency is easier than most other traits.

It’s definitely feasible to select for potency in a landrace type strain without outcrossing, they are by nature heterozygous so they will segregate out into a wide variety of phenotypes, some less potent, some more potent.

Flowering time is another additive trait.

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do you mean with it that congolese couldnt have been brought to South Africa without loosing its potency once reproduced couple times there? (dominance not beeing at play)

puh i dont understand these therms. i have to read tonns of books, including my own findings

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ok. i think you ment that you cant rule it out that landraces can be potent without outcrossing. ok. nice to hear .

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No, it’s all dependent on the selection. If lower potency plants are used to outcross then the average potency of the progeny will be something between the two parents. However it’s a mean so that means there are outliers, both high THC and low THC, so then it depends on the plants selected for the next generation, it’s just as possible to reduce potency with poor selection.
What I’m saying is that it’s far easier to ‘improve’ a landrace by selection than an IBL because the genetic variation is higher in landrace varieties. It’s a double edged sword though because trying to improve a landrace is a long process as they are so heterozygous. With an IBL you get very little variation to chose from, with landrace you have too many variables that are hard to pin down and get consistent. It’s the wide phenotype variation that allows the landrace to adapt to different conditions.

If you look at mendell’s punnets, they are base on traits that have the same locus so that it’s dominance/recessive that dictates what the progeny will be. If you go and look at his experiments, he found one trait, pea stem length that didn’t work for his model of inheritance, instead of one trait being dominant, when he crossed a long stemmed pea with a short stem pea he ended up with something in the middle with some outliers with some shorter and some with longer stems. This is where the Transgressive Segregation sometimes referred to on OG comes in,I.e the phenotypes that express traits to a greater level than the parent.

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