Fair enough safety is always a good thing. However consider that we are using only 100 micrograms. Just for comparison the LD50 for potassium cyanide ingestion is 50-200 milligrams, many thousands of times more than we are using. When looked at in this context, 100 micrograms of potassium cyanide could be consumed and not even be noticed. In this context 100mg of AgNO3 is negligible, especially when you consider the LD50 for AgNO3 is 1173 mg per KG!!! .
Anyway… here is a MSDS for AgNO3…
Too late for me to read it tonight, I will have a look tomorrow. Thanks for the link. Just one thing: I thought ingestion is not a problem with silver anyway. My understanding was that inhalation of silver particles would be the bigger problem.
Yep, most Nitrates are pretty corrosive so inhalation of them are never a good thing. All the literature about silver toxicity I have read has been about cumulative toxicity or someone thinking drinking colloidal silver every day is a somehow a good thing. A LOT of the information out there is ‘stoners lore’.
Here is a good paper on Silver Bio-accumulation…
https://setac.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/etc.5620180112
and a relevant excerpt
Bioaccumulation of silver by terrestrial animals has been nvestigated mainly in domestic animals and laboratory models. Using radiolabeled 110Ag, the kinetics of silver uptake and depuration was studied in laboratory rats and mice after intravenous or intramuscular injection of silver (;0.0011 ng/L each) as well as application by a gastrointestinal tube (10.8
ng/L). Silver was absorbed by only 0.1% within 15 d, after it was first accumulated by a factor of 10 to 100 in the liver,
kidney, spleen, skin, bones, and muscles [37,38]. From these results, it can be concluded that there is no substantial potential for bioaccumulation in mammals. Silver concentrations detected in the tissues of domestic animals, which also apply to humans [13], were relatively low (Table 2). The silver content in the liver of birds feeding on silver-contaminated food was found to be elevated [10]. In terrestrial invertebrates, elevated silver concentrations were sometimes found (e.g., in snails and worms), although there was no bioaccumulation potential in earthworms [39].
I agree that when taking a clone from a plant injected with x=n, that the clone taken would be a fraction of the original concentration, and then once that clone is grown to full size, would then be further diluted …??
Pretty much imho. Acute toxicity would require a much higher amount that we are using based on the MSDS, and chronic cumulative toxicity seems to only really occur in extreme situations where the exposure to silver is off the charts on a daily basis… Still I guess it’s true that precautions can never be a bad thing.
I should think a clone grown into a full sized plant would have an extremely small absolute amount. Does anyone know if this compound is mobile in plant tissue? Would it even be present in the final flowers?
I think I’m already giving cancer a fair chance of thriving in my lungs with daily smoking as is, so no need to consciously add heavy metals, in any measure, to the cocktail of harmful crap I already consume on a daily basis.
So, I personally wouldn’t consume a reversed plant or a clone taken directly from it.
I’d have to take a clone of a clone to make a new mother before I felt comfortable growing it for bud.
I’m really impressed with the speed though, definitely going to be giving it a go.
Quoting again from the above paper…
In higher plants and fungi, silver accumulation is expected only in areas contaminated with silver, such as tailings from silver mines, areas with cloud seeding (AgI), and soils amended with silver-containing sewage sludge.
Trees have been shown to be suitable monitors for heavy metals [31]. The yearly rings were analyzed and showed contamination in past years. The silver content in these trees was also dependent on exposure to solar rays and seasonal variations. In a study of a variety of agricultural crops compared to controls, elevated silver levels were found only in lettuce The plants were grown on soils amended with sewage sludge that was experimentally spiked with silver sulfide. Significant toxicity or a reduction of the fertilizing potential oft he amended soil was not observed. In Lolium perenne (perennial rye grass) and Trifolium repens (white clover) (grown under laboratory conditions in a culture medium), it was shown that 90% of the silver was immobilized in the root system within 10 d [33]. The silver concentration within the plants decreased gradually with increasing distance from the root system . Grasses and agricultural crops accumulated silver to a far greater extent in the roots [31,32,34,35] than other parts of the plant (for concentrations, see Table 1). Mushrooms were found to have a higher bioaccumulation potential if grown with compost amended with silver and sewage [36].
Basically don’t grow your weed in human shit and be sensible and it should be peaches.
Have you had a chance to try making the solution out of CS yet?
initially but ultimately no, im gonna have to try on a dedicated plant, which currently guess i could sacrifice an up coming auto for the cause, but its gonna be a good 3 weeks before that point…
Well, still nothing yet i thought they were going that way but over friday night i got a burst of pistils so still cannot confirm or not confirm if this works, saying that hit the two plants with another 50units each to give it that college try… So far they have been hit three times intotal more or less about 5 days apart
It’s about at that looks like it is, but can’t confirm it stage eh
I moved mine ouside this morning so it cant pollinate what it’s not supposed to.
Figure its worth mentioning since the discussion of health effects are coming up.
Our local tap water reads 0.0018mg/L of silver naturally occurring.
One of the trace mix assays i read shows closer to 40mg/L in commercial ferts.
You’re not talking about much difference to what’s going to be found naturally occurring and being fed already to the plants… Its just in a slightly different form.
It wojld be awesome if we had a gas chromatograph to test treated vs untreated… But given the quantity naturally occurring in my watershed and the plants daily intake of water - were not talking crazy numbers.
The hail seeding planes drop kg’s per day over farmland in thunderstorm season - and we dont quarantine those crops or remove them from thr food/feed systems as a result.
Im pretty confident myself in the safety of these methods.
Or at least compost your shit before you try and grow weed from it.
Hard to tell but it does look like something is happening there…
Snipping from the paper I linked to above on the effectiveness of the relative doses. Gotta get me some cobalt chloride.
Math is a bit off unless referring to end plant analysis
0.1g/10ml = 10000mg/1L for injectable solution if using mg/L as the metric
I was stuck on end of grow number. Water has silver, ferts have silver. Some of its going to end up in plant tissues.
The agno3 data from the hail planes seem to have the best data… And doesnt seem like anyones making a big fuss there
Straight ladies so far day 18 of flower, due to space confinement issues the first one below has been removed, i kept the other plant just for this test which i may trim back due to having to deal with the CS Sparyed plant needing more room, as its already hit the light a couple of times, flopping included, anyways…
Yeah not working so far… will see if the CS sprayed plant can produce first with a single spray a day and only on the end bud im spraying, but i did start spraying late so we will see.
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Well, hell… yeah, they look to be moving on, onward through the fog, so to speak. I’ve never sprayed a plant yet, so I really have no benchmark, but I know I’d love to see something like this work.
Best vibes with seeing the balls soon…er, you get it.
Well spraying Colloidal silver does work, this i don’t know yet.
Well can always learn stuff no matter the situation, here is the split stem of the plant i removed, you can see where the injections were and how it affected the plant, really just looks like the plant treated it as a wound and built around it… now my knowledge on inner stem/plant transport systems and how/if substances can transfer between layers is lacking so i will have to introduce those specifics and concepts to myself again but if the plant did successfully treat and block the Silver Nitrate in a wound type situation, i wonder how much actually got absorbed or transported over into cambium like layers “meristem” …
Hmmm…