Beautiful as always @syzygy
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Weāre talking Space Monkey and Sun Ra, a couple faves on this hill.
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Herer HP. 55 days from flip.
Not that I could smell much anyway, but I still have covid nose, so Iām smelling even less 
Sheās much frostier in person, and more greasy than sticky. Lots and lots of medium sized buds on long internodes.
Probably got a couple more weeks 
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The description of the high of #2, and the munchies, does sound like the old Lumbo descriptions Ive read
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It seem like the best practices in this situation are to throw away all biological material including the soil and fabric pots, do a deep clean with bleach on all surfaces in the grow space and all garden tools, and trimming tools. Followed by a dormant period for 30 days before resuming cultivation.
check out plantshepherdās thread for some very good info on the kinds of pests and viruses currently threatening the commercial industry.
This is why I only grow from seed in my indoor grow. When I get clones to run outdoor, I only get fully tested cuts from olcc licensed nurseries. And I get them direct from the nursery, not from a dispensary retailer. So there is no risk of contamination after the state mandated plant health testing for cuttings has been performed by the nursery.
Following up on this, I asked copa about the variegated appalachia. They said that they donāt know what causes the variegation, but that they think it is an indication of potency within the line.
Chem D is in the Appy lineage and the male I used is a Chem D leaner. The Chem D cut has variegated traits. The P25 also has variegation as well but is unrelated genetically (as far as I know) to Chem D. In my experienceā¦ variegation is a good indicator of potency. I am a selective breeder, not a scientist. I hope this helps.
Good helpful reply from copa.
Itās cool that copa is being honest about the presence of this trait and his observations, and not just arbitrarily saying it is clean. (as many clone and seed sellers have done.)
I would definitely like to see someone get this stuff tested. A negative test would be a very interesting result. It can in rare cases present as a genetic trait- it occasionally shows up in blueberry seed lines as a result of colchicine treatments early in the breeding process.
Sounds like it is good smoke, but without a clean lab test I wouldnāt want to risk introducing this to my perpetual indoor medical grow. Too much risk with this setup. I recycle my soil, grow my own selected cuts and mothers for long periods of time, breed, and I canāt pause between cycles for a 30 day dormant period to clear the grow space of viroids.
If you were just growing for bud and throw out your soil and deep clean after every round, it could be a different equation.
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Hahahaā¦ Of course. Any sorta freak mutation, variegation, twisted leaves or otherwise unusual growth characteristic always means,āThatās what you wanna look for!ā
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Heh, speaking of, check out this old ad from High Times back in 79!
When I grew out JOTIās Afghani line, as well as AKBBās 89NL line, I saw heavy mutations, tons of whorled phyllotaxy, things that looked like two different plant structures trying to grow in the same body, etc. A lot of things that make me think Colchicine was used in the past. I doubt thatās the only line it would have happened to too. Especially considering ads like this, way back then.
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I happened to see this, and realized people here would probably find it pretty funny.
Alibaba presents knockoff Cookies logo merch
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804166476521.html
In all likelihood, this is sold direct by the factory that actually produces the merch for bernerās company.
Itās very common for chinese factories to continue producing the old style whenever a new version comes out. Theyāre not going to waste the investment on the factory tooling they made to produce the old design.
Hereās the new style for sale on the cookies website- clearly the same hat, same logo, now with blue embroidery thread and a heat transfer print on top.
$29 vs $3.49 direct from the factory in china.
edit- and they had previously sold that exact style for $27.
I think the hat showed up on alibaba due to targeted advertising. Thatās what I get for looking for electronics parts on sketchy alibaba.
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Just saw a video of Berner giving and teaching Cannabis to Erykah Badu.
Disappointed that she aināt call me 
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Berner
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Hereās an interesting bit of strain lineage I found and wanted to leave here, Bodhiās Nigerian line is likely Reefermanās Pure Nigerian, sourced from and reproduced for Karma G.
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Nierika did a Reefermanās Nigerian x Afghani release. I think in one of the Potcast interviews Bodhi said he reproād a bunch of seeds that Reefās former business associate (he said something along the lines of āthe guy who ran his websiteā) had ripped off. I suspect it was the Dutch guy who ran RMās seed business after Reef fled Canada. From what I recall it was clear there may have been a certain level of karmic revenge involved, for people B knew who Reef had ripped off.
Admittedly I listened to that interview years ago and was high.
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I read the guy from.copa claim this about the appy f4 variegated (to indicate high potency). To me it sounded like supreme bullshit. But I have no idea.
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I tested a Big Sur Nigerian x NL2 cross for Bodhi a few years ago, he said it was an old Nigerian clone from, uh, Big Sur haha thatād been around that area for years. I dunno if thatās the same Nigerian heās working with now, though.
I mean, any sorta mutation is just that: a mutation. I guess not all mutations are ābadā per se, but if I were a breeder, Iād subscribe to the Luther Burbank Philosophy of Plant Breeding haha, which is basically,āAccept the best, reject all others.ā Variegation can be an indicator of a plant virus, soā¦ It isnāt always indicative of a virus, but Iād probably try to avoid those variegated plants if I could.
I had a Rare Dankness plant that was variegated, canāt remember if it was the Moonshine Haze or the Midas, but it was pretty cool-looking. Turned out male, so I never flowered him out. I wouldāve if it was a female, but I donāt think I woulda used it for making seeds. Thatās just me, though haha.
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If itās variegated Iād soonest think it was infected with TMV or similar virus with no bearing on potency whatsoever. Technically variegated plants donāt photosynthesize correctly due to lack of chlorophyll so all things being equal, the variegated plant should be LESS potent than the same plant non-variegated.
In the appyās case, I could see the variegation possibly meaning itās a chem d leaner, but even then Iād want that virus test to be negative in order to really think so.
And if it is a chem d leaner, H&L technically bred Appalachia to be a better Green Crack, not a chem line.
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This is a really interesting point I havenāt considered, like how UV-protective melanin also limits Vitamin D production in human skin and people with more melanin need more sunlight than someone as pale as me to make a healthy amount of Vitamin D, in exchange for a lower skin cancer risk. Everythingās a balance in nature wherever you look, I suppose. So the variegated leaves or parts of leaves would function as sinks rather than sources almost immediately, and be an overall drag on photosynthetic efficiency. Great point! Also I did not know that about H&L breeding for a better Green Crack, I can see how that would have made Bodhi look to use it as a stud line since heās kinda always looking for some sort of stabilized cross with some specific traits, I guess in this case it was the rot resistance along with the potency increase over the GC cut.
@minitiger I would tend to agree, mutations arenāt necessarily bad but in a world of nearly unlimited seeds to pop and look through, IDK if Iād stick with any mutated plants for long unless I had been told it was something to look for by the breeder. I have some Blue Tara F3s a month old that are all different but two are weirdos, presumably from the Blue Moonshine in the Bubbashine, since DJ (probably) got freaky with the colchicine at some point or another. One is doing the whorled phyllotaxy thing, while being also the healthiest of the three, so while I have no reason to like that itās happening, I guess itās the category of a whatever mutation?
#1 Blue Tara on the bottom has been growing twisty since its first set of leaves
#2 in the middle is pretty normal looking if small
#3 in the back is a tiny lil runt but otherwise totally healthy at all stages so far and drinking water at a surprising rate so it lives on for now
Really sad that Bodhi lost the Bubbashine after only making three crosses and releasing two, itās a fascinating (hahaha see what I did there) line to grow so far:
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man i had no idea that H&L had bred the Appy for outdoor, i feel like ive never heard of anyone running it outside, but it all kind of makes since when its broken down like that ^^ now im even more bummed i missed the drop (well i didnt miss it as much as i am just fucking broke haha) but i saw a post of his saying restocks are headed to HG and Riotseeds soon, sounds like hes climbing back on the breeding horse in general so we might see more stuff coming out of his camp at more regular intervals now
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Yeah, thatās the thing. And especially if youāre a breeder or whatever. Youāre trying to tell me that the best plants were the fucked-up ones? Haha. Not YOU, @Dirt_Wizard, Iām talking to the ābreedersā right now. But yeah, it seems like if youāre going through decent numbers to find a particularly good male or female to make seeds with and the one you settled on was the variegated or otherwise kinda āfucked-upā plant to use, youāre either ignorant or lazy. Maybe bothā¦
Yeah, the whirled phyllotaxy thing is supposed to be an indicator of leaning in the direction of either the mom or dad in certain crosses. I know itās supposed to be an indicator of Cuban Black Haze-leaning plants in those crosses. One of my Bandaid Hazes was doing that in veg, but, like that Rare Dankness plant, it turned out male so it didnāt get flowered.
Still, whirled phyllotaxy doesnāt weird me out as much as variegation does. I dunnoā¦
I love that youāve been keeping that one runt Blue Tara around, though haha. Every time I see your updates, Iām like,āMan, heās still got that one tiny plant in thereā¦ā It does look like itās doing something, though, finally. Definitely bigger than it was a couple weeks ago hahaā¦
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DirtWizard is an equal opportunity cultivator 
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I get hooked growth like that sometimes if my calcium and/or mag is low. Iām actually trialing switching veg nutes to jacks 20/20/20(coming from gypsum+maxibloom) and not adding any calmag causes that hooked looking growth rather immediately. I just added calmag at 2ml/gal and seeing if that fixes my growth issues with this jacks. But yeah Iād think itād be something to do with that and maybe not a mutation of the plant. These bubbashine plants seem to be heavy feeders.
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Man I just got so blown away by the last runt I plonked in the center of the tent a foot down from the canopy, it had terrible structure and bud formation and also was plastered with perfect dry sift trichomes on every leaf. Iād take that chance for some hash from a Bubbashine plant, yessir if that runt turns out female sheās going in a corner in flower as a hashplant. I know Bodhi seems to breed for flower and maybe modern extraction but basically all the parents in Blue Tara are known to be dank hash producers.
@LegsMahoney Iām here to give every Bodhi plant in my garden a chance whether itās for bud or sift.
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