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Or the favorite:
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Looking fantastic in there!
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Nahhhh. I mean, I know what you mean haha, but I don’t follow those sorta “hype seeds grow logs.” I just expect that shit to herm. And I’m not interested in those logs anyway. Really I was talking about relatively “proven” breeders/plants that people here are growing and whose logs I do follow. Seems like a lot of those ones have been showing intersex traits, too, which I think is odd.
Haha, uh… Kind of.
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I mean, the 3 kings og in the triple goddess is supposed to be sfv x sour diesel x headband. Sour diesel at the minimum is known to be uh… temperamental. I don’t think it has so much to do with the breeders as it does the plants. GG4 is another one.
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Nah. My comment about us weed growers being in luck was kinda tongue-in-cheek. 
It’s a simple solution in controlled breeding - don’t reproduce plants that herm easily. The problem is, so many of the best cuts supposedly (or likely) came from herms, so they’re the low hanging fruit in breeding because they’re popular and available. And they’re also easy to make S1 from (unlike TK). It’s likely that weed, which is much more complex AND adaptable than simpler plants like the ones studied in the research, evolves even faster than the plants studied. Especially when the breeder industry selects the easy-herming plants!
Only way to avoid it is have trustworthy breeders who actually test their seeds extensively and publicly, not the usual standard of cannabis breeders who lie, cheat, exaggerate, LARP and steal their way to internet fame. That’s pretty hard to find, and all the good ones dip out of the limelight because they’re not in it to be seen as the experts; they’re in it for the love.
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Substandard breeding and “seed preserving” projects aren’t uniquely limited to Cannabis, but it seems like the obscene money and ‘e-fame’ component is. Look at all the people saving seeds of their “heirloom” tomatoes that were grown adjacent to other varieties. At the same time though they aren’t becoming Instagram famous or cashing in on it, it’s just a hobby to them.
Eventually you’d think there will be a tipping point when it becomes federally legal that the prices will start to completely collapse everywhere. It’s the money and ability to capitalize on e-fame that brings in the parasites. It’s going to suck for people working in the Cannabis industry in general but it’s been fairly predatory from the start anyways, so no tears shed from me.
It seems like there are way more seeds and breeders available today than growers in demand of seed, so we can’t be that far off from the breeders feeling the squeeze. That makes me kind of hopeful that things will eventually transition to true passion projects with a goal, sort of like that dwarf tomato project out of NC.
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Everybody’s feeling the squeeze; it’s not limited to cannabis “breeders.” Everybody’s trying to monetize everything because everybody’s fucking broke. The “e-fame” is the goal, nobody actually cares about the quality of the product. They just wanna monetize their IG feed. Or whatever.
Have you looked at porn lately? It’s all people doing single camera handeld bullshit, totally horrible and unwatchable, but hey! If they get 500 onlyfans subscribers, that’s a decent amount of extra money.
The Pizza Huts in SoCal just laid off (fired) all of their delivery drivers and are only using “gig” drivers from Uber and Grubhub now, because why bother paying somebody even minimum wage (plus tips! haha) when you can just use “gig economy” people? Walmart’s doing the same thing… Won’t be long until every fucking company just relies on that shit and nobody has a steady job that they can depend on.
Sorry to be a bummer, but I’m watching it happen. I’m living it haha…
Which is not to excuse these shitty-ass breeders, but I blame the people “liking” their posts and buying their seeds more than I do the people trying to make some money.
But I do also blame the “breeders” haha. I’m not lumping Bodhi or those Triple Goddess plants into that category, though.
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If it ever becomes Federally legal, do you envision becoming more like vegetable seeds? Price wise, availability…
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I know you weren’t asking me and syzygy probably knows more about that than I do, but I think the price of seeds will absolutely drop, although they probably will never be as cheap as vegetable/ornamental etc seeds, simply because the market for cannabis seeds will never be as large as the market for vegetable etc seeds.
But just look at how legalization in only half the states has affected the price of actual, fully-grown, smokable cannabis flowers. People used to get $4800 a pound; now they’re lucky if they get half that. You think cannabis seeds are gonna be any different if weed is federally legalized? Availability, yes. Demand, no.
Clones will probably be where the market is. But even clones will be a much more limited market than something like tomato seeds.
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Glad you mentioned OF. I was thinking that this is probably a good analogy for current breeders in a federally legal market. Something like an over-the-hill onlyfans model with a core group of fans.
Assuming the risk is gone and regulations aren’t insane I don’t see why you wouldn’t have Cannabis in seed racks sold by companies like Burpee. Other seed suppliers like Johnny’s, Jung, Park, etc similarly. They will all be competing with each other as well.
Eventually internal breeding programs would take off just as they do for veggies and flowers. I don’t think Cannabis is as difficult to cultivate as people in the industry like to tell themselves it is, and feel like we’re in a bit of a bubble where people reinforce these delusions. The big companies could easily adapt and provide genetics that most of the market would be satisfied enough with. They would actually do considerable amount of testing also, unlike the IG breeder.
Tissue culture hemp has been offered in liners for a few years and can only see that ramping up with that kind of legalization. I’m no fan of Home Depot and there have been notable issues with their practices but imagine also if they were offering Apple Fritter plants in 4" pots like tomatoes for 5$. Local nurseries as well. Would the guy on Strainly be able to print money charging 400$?
The whole topic opens a can of worms no matter the angle you approach it from. As minitiger said though, just because people were able to get X amount for a pound in the past doesn’t mean they will be able to going forward. I think Bodhi’s price drop to 45$ a pack probably translates at best to 2$/seed for him when you factor in GLG’s markup. Tom Hill was selling seeds direct to users here for 2$/seed earlier this year as well. Even at the “low price” of 2$ a seed these may be the good-old-days.
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Yeah I think once Fed opens up and burpee gets their hands on it, all the prices will tank. I’d be surprised if there’s as many dispensaries in 10 years as there are right now. I’d imagine most will crash and burn from the price drops.
It’ll really depends on if they reschedule it to 3 or remove it from scheduling entirely. I do think Shag has a leg to stand on here, you can’t legally manufacture any other class 3 drug in your house… We’d really need it off the controlled substance list and considered no different than alcohol or tobacco for things to really open up like we’re envisioning.
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And it’s not like pizzas or delivery got cheaper because they’re not paying delivery drivers anymore. They raised prices, increased the delivery fee, and expect you’re still going to tip the gig driver for delivering cold pizza because they missed a turn and took 45 minutes to deliver a pizza from a store 15 minutes away.
I don’t get anything delivered unless the store has their own insured delivery drivers or is shipping via a major carrier. If they indicate that deliveries might be done by gig drivers I’ll just pick it up myself.
Case in point: I ordered a part for my wife’s car from a local dealership to be delivered to my house, which is less than 2 miles from the dealership. I figured “hey they probably just send a parts truck out to drop off stuff that’s within a 5 mile radius or whatever.” Nope. It was an Uber driver who ended up dropping off my part to some address and hour & a half from my house. Worst part is that the dealership initially asked if I wanted to go pick it up myself from some dude’s house out in BFE. Yeah, no. I prefer not to go on some random hillbilly’s property and tell them my package was misdelivered there and could I please have it—only to get run off while staring down the barrel of a shotgun. If I’d have known they were using Uber drivers to deliver I’d have just swung by the parts counter to pick it up.
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That’s the problem. Or maybe that’s the goal, is just to count on the low standards of the majority of the population, whether it be shitty weed or shitty onlyfans porn haha or whatever. McDonald’s. Pizza Hut. Taco Bell. Walmart. Home Depot. Gelato #45. Blah blah blah…
I don’t even think “breeders” have to wait for federal legalization to crater the market; it’s happening right now. But I’d place at least half the blame on these dipshit breeders themselves, simply because, do we really need another Gelato x Ice Cream Cake #79 cross? Haha.
It’s why they do what they do, make plants that look really good on Instagram and who cares how it smokes? And then, of course, the other half of the blame would go to the people who just wanna be a part of something that isn’t real, those people who just respond “
” to said “breeder’s” posts. Like, what was the purpose of that post? Haha. “Fire!” “Fire weed!” “Fire plants!” “Please! I need to feel like I’m a part of this! Make me feel included!”
There already aren’t. Or not in the Valley, anyway, which, good. At one point like ten years ago, there were more dispensaries in LA than there were Starbucks, but that’s no longer the case.
I drove past a completely vacant strip mall last week and one of the storefronts had a big banner hanging above the door that said,”For lease! Cannabis approved!” So obviously somebody had gone through all of the legal shit to get that storefront legal, but then the money or the weed or whatever fell out. There’s still a shitton of them everywhere, though. Like every other block is,”Liquor store, donut shop, dispensary… Liquor store, donut shop, dispensary…” haha. There aren’t as many as there were ten years ago, though. Or not as many legal ones, anyway.
If you look at properties for sale in NorCal, there’s a TON that come with the “Cannabis-approved!” designation, as well. “Two acres legal!” People are getting out of it. Which, of course, was the whole endgame or whatever with Prop 64: squeeze out the small-timers and corporatize this shit.
Dude, don’t even get me started on that whole thing. Doing fucking Uber Eats for the last six months has been revelatory, but has also raised a whole HOST of questions. I’ve actually been thinking about writing an “expose” or whatever haha about it, but I doubt that I’d be able to get answers from the COO or the CEO or anybody, since I’m just a random dude. Still, I really would like to know exactly how much Uber (and all of those other delivery apps) has invested in the petroleum industry. None of it makes sense. I’m certain they’re heavily invested in oil/gas.
And that’s just one of my queries. I have others… haha.
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Sure it’s oil/gas? Damn near every Uber I’ve taken in the last couple years has been in a 100% electric vehicle 
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Fossil fuels still create the electricity that powers those cars. I mean, I drive a Tesla (and thank gawd for that; I wouldn’t make a dime if I had to fill the tank up every time I went out)(and even with the Tesla, I still don’t make shit haha), but… The only truly clean energy is nuclear. And that’s never gonna happen, so… Maybe saying,”Oil/gas” was inaccurate; “petroleum industry” would be better.
The only reason I bring it up is because, like I said, the Uber shit makes no sense whatsoever. I’ll pick up food from a McDonald’s in Northridge and deliver it to Arleta, ten miles and eighteen closer McDonald’s-away. I’ve picked up burgers in Tarzana and driven 25 miles to Santa Monica to deliver them, even though there are literally 300+ burger joints closer to the place where I dropped them off.
You would think that if nothing else, Uber Eats might suggest a closer restaurant to order that double cheeseburger from than the one that’s 25 miles away, if for no other reason than people like hot food haha. The fact that they don’t leads me to only one conclusion: they want their drivers to drive a lot. Why? Why do they want people to drive 25 miles to deliver the same cheeseburger that the customer could’ve gotten four blocks away?
My girl and I used Uber Eats to order some Thai food the other night and every restaurant they put on their little “top places” or whatever was a minimum of eight miles away from us. Why? There’s a ton of Thai joints way closer to us. Why did we have to search for the ones that were closer than eight miles away from us? Why were the first, like, twenty Thai joints that came up a half-hour away?
Anyway… Yeah, dude, electric cars aren’t powered by gas, but they are powered by fossil fuels haha. And you know I’m not some paranoid conspiracy theorist, but there is absolutely something weird going on with the Uber bullshit.
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oh that’s crazy! I haven’t used uber eats before. I have used doordash though and that one DOES tend to list the places in order of either distance from you, or quickest to get to you. But if there’s two places near you, it’s generally picking the closest one every time.
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Right. And that is an option with the Uber thing, too, but you have to find the “distance” button thing and click on it, otherwise you’re at the mercy of the app. A lot of people don’t know about it haha. On the rare occasions when somebody actually wants me to meet them at the door, as opposed to just leaving it there, I always ask them,”Do you know where you ordered this food from?” haha. “There’s like 20 Taco Bells closer to you than the one you ordered from.”
I’m not just talking out of my ass haha, there’s something very, very strange about the way the Uber shit operates. It’s weird. It makes no sense, unless you start to consider why exactly Uber has no problem sending their drivers on these insane 50-mile round trips to deliver a fucking hamburger.
There’s a story here. I’m certain of it.
And also, this is incredibly depressing to talk about haha. I can’t fucking believe that I’m doing this haha!
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sorry for the sidetrack. Back to plants!
Lookin at your last pic there makes me wonder if you got two like the big one I got a couple years back 
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They’re pretty big, for sure haha. And I’m fine with that. Tying them down didn’t help at all. I thought they might sorta stretch back up towards the light, but it’s not happening. I obviously waited way too long to train them.
How’d those tall ones smoke? I’m sooooo stoked to blaze those two plants. And the shorter possibly-Cheese pheno, too haha. The tall ones look like they’ve got another sixty days at least, but I love the way they look right now, although I do think I’m gonna untie them tomorrow when I water and just see what happens. They’re way too spread out with the tying down and covering all of the other plants haha…
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They all smoked fantastically! The big one I had that I think might be similar to those two was pretty stony, but super clear and functional at the same time. No confusion/fogginess that can come from the skunk in the line. And I say functional but it wasn’t motivating at all. More like great wakenbake or weekend herb when you didn’t have anything pressing to do but enjoy the day. You could go do that stuff, but you won’t want to lol. Just wanna kick back. That’s pretty much what I had to relegate it to as I couldn’t, or for sure didn’t want, to work on that stuff.
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If I remember right, the more broadleaf plants with the dense fat flowers were the most stony. Leaning towards foggy/confusion. As you get more into NLD and more sparse dreadlock/foxtail type flowers, the more clear/functional to electric sativa high you get. The big huge plants tended to be more like straight nl5haze throwbacks. Had the stone and a good portion of the haze aspects.
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