Creating True Breeding Strains By Vic High

If you think about that it just makes good sense.
A plant can not run away from it environment, stress ect.
It must adapt or die.

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That @Cactus always gets me thinking out of the box.
He brings thoughts/questions into my head that would not normally be there.

We were dicussing how elecricty/electrons can have an effect on DNA.
He suggested that this may in fact occur.
Now I wonder, do our electronic devices/lights ect. have a negetive effect on plant DNA over time?
Could this have anything to do with virus formation?

Talking to Cactus is like walking through a field of gofer holes.
You will be just walking along…next thing you know you are down inside a gopher hole. :rofl:

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Dam gofer holes… :triumph:
Could the chemicals produced in the trichome head be used to block uv radiation from damaging/mutating the DNA in the seed inside the buds?

Does THC block UV radiation.
Do cannabis plants make UV blocking chemicals in the trichomes?

Studies have found that trichomes can help to reflect and scatter UV radiation, which can help to protect the plant from damage.

THC itself is also thought to have some UV-absorbing properties, which may help to further protect the plant from harmful DNA damaging radiation.

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Eh, studies have shown that added UV do not increase cannabinoid production at all. That as long as the plant gets the minimum nutrition possible, it will always put out the same amount of cannabinoids regardless of lighting.

I have seen things appear frostier under uv, but the studies are saying they’re not any better nor more prevalent.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpls.2022.974018/pdf
https://overgrow.com/uploads/short-url/3oBxe2bieU6xPPTK8D15W3ykBl0.pdf

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Basically, lighting has no effect on trichome production. Cannabis does not produce trichomes in response to light. It’s either genetically set to produce them by default, or it’s protection from bugs or something else. But not light/uv. Is what some of these studies are saying :thinking:

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Sorry brother didn’t mean to say it made more resin just subtle qualities are or maybe affected. Keep me on the rails brother :+1::+1: @HolyAngel

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I don’t think they alter DNA but surely are a vector of stress. Although invisible to the human eye, lights flicker due to the cyclic nature of our electricity. Magnetic fields are also felt by plants…

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I am not too sure about that. I need to find something that Eric Lander was talking about that mentioned the process of how the chromosomes uncoil by being fragmented. Not sure of the process but those are critical times when the cell is very vulnerable and during meiosis. @shag

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Yeehaw! Giddyup cowboy

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Plants have very well developed DNA repair mechanisms and are capable of fixing themselves even when blasted with gamma rays! Of course there will be the occasional mutation because of transcription errors but as a system it has all sorts of mechanisms built in. Even when something like a retro virus or so called jump genes, directly alters the dna by duplication and insertion, the plant has mechanisms to silence the expression of these imposter genes. These are so called Transcription Elements, most of which are deactivated through processes like methylation by the plant/animal, though some are co-opted and put to work, this genetic ‘junk’ makes up something like 25% of the human genome and most plants are likewise full of them.

Re the genetics of clones degrading or changing over time, something maybe worth looking up is Somaclonal Variation, though it’s more related to tissue culturing it still may have some relevance.

The DNA doesn’t need to be directly altered for there to be changes to the phenotype, weed is a hugely heterozygous species and there is a large influence of environment x genome in how they express, different environment factors will influence expression and silencing of genes. I’ve read that electric current through the soils seedlings are growing in will increase the amount of females by 5%, not a lot sure but statistically significant, that has to be some kind of epistatic effect rather than DNA alteration.

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We live in 2 different worlds brother.
You don’t see a lot of cowboy boots in the stores round here.
But
Sometimes I go to walmart just for the fights.
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I skip the stores around here on the big shopping days.

Black Friday in Detroit

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Yeah, we got that down at the trailer park when two sisters are fighting over their brother :rofl:.

The security guard on the bike looks new bet he didn’t even load his red rider.

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is this different then herming

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I normally veg under cfl lighting which is reasonably powered at 300w cool blue and I notice how I have larger broader leaves on all my flowers under this light…as soon as I stick any plant under hps lighting,the leaves thin and form almost sativa looking canopy narrowing…whether its extra heat or different light,the plant structures a visual change in appearance and prepares for the light source provided…something inside all plants dna reacts to environmental changes,whether them environmental changes are the trigger for stress and herms in some lineages today…I would quite imagine so…I’m taking a plant from compact flourescent to high powered hps half way through its life…if it makes incremental changes to how it looks when it changes lights to adjust enviroment,what other hidden happenings are going on we don’t see…incremental environmental changes in any plants life must have some kind of stress attached to it…and I think you see it in many variable rooms across the world.some herm and mutate at the slightest environmental change…I take risks beheading plants in veg to turn them over to high sun and relative heat…and it happens in an instance overnight…does this occur as a practice outdoors?..it just remains constant…indoors especially its anything but and being indoors alone is stressing what your really doing in honesty…false light false water and man made medium…stresses occur from the outset invariably

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very easy to put things in layman’s terms sometimes…

I have 2 cap junky s1 and 1 has birthed beautifully with no hint of environmental stress noted in early growth.

the second seedling spaced a week or 2 apart has had human intervention to survive and instantly mutated…what does this tell me?..it instructs to me that this acute stress has triggered the dna plant response to mutating and eventually in its lifetime producing seeds…and it started with a human stress not environmental…so if you stress a plant to a degree that it mutates instantly,it triggers response to reproduce because of that initial stressing…and its in the form of mutation you see it…the lineage then remains questionable because of this…mutation is weak linked dna and the plant has no defence but to form reproduction…I will document this cap junky mutation in detail here…

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But there’s no way to know from that, that it wouldn’t have done it on its own. It’s also a MAC cross and MAC is known to produce mutant offspring at a high rate so I would think that strain is a bad example to use for this.

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maybe a bad example in truth but I think it’s just discussion on why these triggers and mutations occur at the slightest stress…that’s not marketable product to any degree…and this is a bad example your right…but I think documenting this stress and the occurrence of how it happened and why it responded to mutate is only adding critical thought to dna mutation…it shouldn’t be worthy In gardens,now it seems accepted.lolol

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https://overgrow.com/t/where-are-you/115690/10

Tryed enough hard in all kind of fancy experiments to say that hormonally, it change nothing straightt in my boots (lol). Two decades later, offers of seedlings screening by samples testing of companies confirmed my doubts on this matter ^^

It work for a lot of things : KH/PH stabilization/tolerance with eletrified NFT, also make the plants able to grow below 10°c without any stasis effect, tissues changes, sap modification (brix rates) while directly electrified … this is a nice toy. For progeny it’s biased, you apply an insane epigenetic factor with it but you can’t master the answer, the patterns will depend on lines mostly.

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How do we know the ratio’s so closely, do we have the ability to predict the sex prior to growth? Must be missing something as usual.

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