Yes, I don’t want to shit on anyone, but yet share my experience with cultivars. Tbh with you, I really hope you find that keeper in those seeds. Because I’m sure that there is a high possibility that if it exist, it’s possible to stabilise further then 5%. The problem I see with the continued open pollination is that let’s say that some of these traits are on a polygenic spectrum, which we know cannabinoid production is and also most of the terps. The secret to this uber pheno is it’s chemovar, so that means that we are never narrowing the spectrum that the polygenic traits can play within and we are never widening it either, we are scrambling it. So if this trait continue to exist in this 5% fashion even though we are mudding the water for ever generation further from the initial cross. Then it needs to be an trait that is some of the extremes of a normal distribution. Which means that the actual trait might be so simple that it’s the % plants with THCV levels above a certain threshold.
Sorry if I’m rambling, pretty high atm…
Well, African sativas are not haze, i shouldn’t really compare them. But if you are going down the sativa rabbit hole, you discover that much of what makes a sativa great is based on two different highs, the clear one and the devastating one. Haze have both, and that’s why these endless discussions continues on. So I don’t think that you should think about it as is THH/OTH/OH better for breeding, it’s more about which phenotypes can be pulled from different part of the lines that suites your end goal. Much the same can be thought of when picking any sativa to produce the end goal.
What I can say, I remember that some males I had when I grew THH got purple really quick and some females also. This made me thought that if someone would like to recreate a true purple haze, this would be a good line to start.
This haze is already THC dominant that box is checked. The morphology well is somewhat loose but consistent with its tropical background. I think what might be sought after is the so called entourage effects. This can be a simple group of bases that form the genes required for this to happen. So far I think the mechanisms are inherited on two different chromosomes that sort themselves out independently. JMO.
I think this might work for more types that share backgrounds with other types.
I would be interested in your take with breeding the African lines but not sure this would be the place and plus putting you on the spot all the time can be annoying so I don’t mean to be too pushy or forward.
I see why you would think so, but as far as I know. All automones got data about the cannabinoid production. The THCA or CBDA switch is a set of genes that enables the plant to produce the individual enzyme that turn precursors into the acid each acid form. Even though you got the CBDA switch active, there is still a range of the effectiveness to produce this enzyme, generating a range of concentration. There is also a range of precursors produced and a range of competition between other enzymes that use the same precursors. As we know so far, there is more then hundred canabinoids in cannabis and they are present in different concentration. Haze have many different setups of these cannabinoid switches and ranges. This is where the possibility for the large spectrum of chemovars exist. This is a simplified form how the process of Cannabinoids production works, I have to be honest that a full picture of exact which genes does what is not public yet, so it’s out of my scope of knowledge, but I try to stay updated.
No, please ask what ever you feel like. I will try to answer you with what I know
I got something you might want to look at. What I am thinking is these high THC hazes have already been selected so the (Bt/Bt or Bt/Bd or Bd/Bd) that is inherited and can be locked in, that box is checked, the morphology on the haze well no not going to worry about that since this isn’t a weight production type. I say that those bases are covered and that the entourage effect is found on two different chromosomes jmo. I bet somebody is probably saying BS but that is just my hunch. What is the entourage effect tied to? How is the size of the trichomes inherited and does that have anything to do with the quality of the haze? As you can tell I am getting somewhat specific and what to tie it into. Have to be markers that are being missed and just a matter of saying duh why didn’t I think of that. Much of what I am question comes from Tom’s observations and so far I have found him spot on in so many steps. He is throwing it out there and they have been strikes across home plate. I don’t know if these are his own ideas or others that he associates with but the data and theory are solid in my book. Maybe I am reading and making more out what he is saying but it is easier to get the answer and reverse engineer it than to create something completely new. I don’t believe there is anything new that we are going to do that nature hasn’t already figured out.
What I am saying is depending on the type you are working on there have to be certain boxes checked before you can start moving in the direction of super clear or omg let me off this ride. OMG let me on this ride is where I am at brother so that’s what I think.
From @JoeCrowe’s research, you may want to select for trichome density rather than size.
That is how he selects for hash producers.
But this topic is a bit over my head so that should be taken with a grain of salt.
Trichome characteristics are definitely something that is inherited. When you talk about the “size” of one, that can refer to the height or cap size. I have seen though, the metabolic process that produces the terpenes and thc can definitely be changed by the environment. The number of trichomes stays the same though.
Kinda like the hairs on our bodies I suppose. Then should a person select for a larger size which has been put forward. Trichome => 100 micro-meters? Do the sizes vary depending on the type that we are working with. Do the better types have larger trichomes or is there no correlation?
I think they are additive and not stable. Each one of these parts has to fit in the other for the right effect, I am throwing things out there to see if it rings a bell for anyone or they see something that will help find another piece of the puzzle.
As far as I can tell, it’s all about the number of trichomes as opposed to the size. I’ll explain! We’re talking about a difference of 20-40 micrometers in the cap size, but when you are talking about how tall the trichome is, I’ve seen them go from 100μm up to 13000μm. It makes a difference to the human eye which is pretty useless at seeing things less than 500μm/ half a millimeter. So it’ll look like jack frost came into town when they are 1000μm tall as opposed to 100μm tall the plant looks barren.
So my best hash producer and contest winner has loads of very short small trichomes. Just furry with 'em, but only at a microscopic level. When I ran the number two producer in the contest I got my ass handed to me by motherfuckers.
I’ve located a really good test subject that will generate a large signal above noise for the trichome cap size. Within a few months I’ll have a definitive answer backed up with photographic evidence. The trichome cap in question was a whopping 184μm in diameter! Trichomes with more width than the height of the trichomes on my best producer. lol! Talk about signal! Ahem.
Well that is wild! So your girl has big hooters ;big trichomes on your girl? 184 that is a very large. Maybe there is something to the larger cap? Great story and the info is so relevant to how things can go sideways and then a big surprise. I looked forward to seeing what you have, Awesome! Maybe call her Double D.
Surface area dynamics perhaps? The varying trichome “forests” will likely give way to unique microbial populations on the differing surface structures. I wonder if greasy vs sandy trichromes influence these trichome biomes too. Appreciate the stimulating conversation being had by all! It’s enjoyably thought provoking. Much love
Could this be the result of their size maxing out from an abundance of cannabinoid production and lending way to these collapsed type shapes? A sort of overinflation of the sphere to the point it is reshaped into something new? Much love
according to wolfram you would get 30% additional volume if you had the same number of trichomes, but they were 180 microns instead of 120.
lol! I calculated a percentage. Really it was 3X10^6 and .9x10^6 so there should be 3x volume. my bad!
;big trichomes on your girl? 184 that is a very large. Maybe there is something to the larger cap? Great story and the info is so relevant to how things can go sideways and then a big surprise. I looked forward to seeing what you have, Awesome! Maybe call her Double D.
