To each their own. For me, the open pollination in the beginning simply represents an insurance policy.If I am to find a trait I lose, as a last resort it becomes a last shot to find it.
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Thought of this one when you talked about the seed business being pirates 
Pz 
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Bookmarked, 1:49 … i will listen while i’m working on something. I come back here to give a feedback, we are in the losted island of OG in this thread ^^
Finally … ice cream microwaved, ready for the show ^^
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Well, let’s be frank … i tried today (like right now) to continue on a second shot but at 58:48, i reached by far my limit. On the first try, i finished my ice cream on Cannacribs presenting another nice legal grow op ^^
To make a resume of the first hour, they talk about naming strains, the host share an experience with something that look like a random US bud delivery service, he share also often that Barney’s Farm is his nemesis lol, the guest is also talking about drop shipping on watches … there is no real guideline in the discussion, or a real “red thread” purpose. More an evasive chit chat between two friends, and i’m maybe a bit old to appreciate this kind of entertainment.
On EU market they are a bit naive, very in late while they are guessing how are functioning the shit ton of white labels here and obviously not aware of the constraints of large scale EU operations. I will not even speak about the necessity to pay taxes and the administrative constraints of the B2B market here. Also very erroneous on production units of sensi fifteen years ago, at the point to commit a kind of shortcut that group many labels and link them with an unique producer ^^ They don’t really realize how this theory is fucked and they are talking about companies used to deal with the ground since ages.
I try to don’t be too caustic but … it was clearly not their ground. It was a better idea to stay on the marketing and to emit critics and advises from the point of view of the customers, but in structuring it. Not in considering that they are a representative model of the various group of customers ordering seeds online.
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If it is a result of two recessive traits on two different chromosomes then would it look like this.
(0.25) x (0.25) * 0.70 = 4.4% or is it something else? Has anyone ever found a Positronics Super Haze that Tom talks about?
Maybe it is something akin to cross over and just a recombination of traits that still would follow the 5% rule. 1/4 * 1/4 = 1/16 * 70-75% females is the same. Less than 50% and 5% seems like the line has been worked already but still 5% that works. Kinda like the fruit fly scenario.
Recombination is probably the reason?
Chromosome theory with recombination and independent assortment. @Fuel and @hempy
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Someone’s proud of there cowboy boots!
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Yep just an old hayseed trying to understand what all you guys are getting at just have to keep the decimal points closer to application 
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Gonna take some seeds and some time but doable to pull out…
Honestly, I see things like this:
You take your two favorite F1’s and cross them together and you have your F2 generation. You select your best F2’s and cross them together and you have your F3, F3xF3=F4 and so on down the line. This is what is commonly referred to as line breeding, and is a typical old school breeding strategy.
and think the person has already fucked up now. Even true, real-deal, F1’s present some variation. If you’re just grabbing the “best” plants but not the “alike” plants, you’ve already made more work for yourself. Years and years and you’re just spinning the wheels.
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@Cactus you have to account for the possibility of polygenic traits. The majority of cannabis traits are polygenic, so there is a high chance that very special phenos like for example, THH and Sour Diesel. Is majority on a polygenic scale. This is why they are very hard to pin down.
I’ve popped 100 THH and filled my 5 x 10 flowering room of 50 ladies and there was good individuals in there, but not the uber sativa he’s describing.
You also have to account for that Tom is a very skilled salesmen, and as a salesmen creating such hype would be very beneficial for sales.
As I said before, if there was a 5% uber pheno, a lot of people would have found it by now and there would be some cut floating around for sure.
There is lot to consider and until you have grown and find the plant yourself, you cant really guess what traits it possesses that makes it unique.
Also, I don’t think that Tom have made any cultivars himself, only reproducing other breeders creations. So take everything he says with a grain of salt and don’t put any breeder, ever… On a pedestal.
Pz 
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Seeds don’t have names. Salesmen put names to seeds. Cannabis is grown from cutting, not seed. Tell every person you meet this. Run around screaming it. They’re all wondering WHY the weed they smoke sucks. Tell them it’s the seeds. Your grandchildren’s clone value will increase. Seeds will be worthless,like the US dollar.
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I sure hope not banking on my collection being worth lots when I’m dead and gone. Lol
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5x10 feet or meters?
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Meters ofc 
the actual area was 13x7, but with wall fans and extra area to go around the room. The total grow area was approximately 5x10m. This was the biggest grow room I had as a caretaker and I used it to pheno hunt medicine. A dear friend helped me build it and I used it for over 6 years.
Pz
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Maybe you’ re focusing too much on heterosis? Things are not binary when it comes to this. Even in industrial food crop breeding. Heterosis is not on or off, there are different levels of it. Proper inbreeding is often taking that into account and made using several parallel lines from a first cross, precisely to keep a level of heterosis when all this lines are crossed back together and become a released product.
But maybe I’m not getting your question. It’s sunday though 
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I have a 16x24 or 5m x 7.5m, so each female requires 1 sqm.
Awesome you grew that many females but it is very disappointing you didn’t get a keeper. Three independent assorted traits would make it 1%. .
Did the good Posi Haze girls reproduce good phenos when you bred them or did they fall apart?
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@Cactus Nice! What potsize do you go with?
Pz
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Errr… ummm… 5x10m… wow!!!
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Metric or US 
. Well like Tom said the keepers get the big pot. 5 gal container have ton of those so why not.
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@Cactus I used 10 or 5l pots dependent on the plant count.
Tbh with you, I never bred with it. The terps can be found in many of the African sativas and the Africans smokes better as medicine. Also, I already had an awesome Nevilles Haze keeper that I found in a batch of Mr Nice around -13 -14 and it always won the side by side tests of any patients who was trying haze out.
I wouldn’t call THH hay or anything, but for what I needed at the time, it didn’t fit and I’ve found that what THH have to offer in other cultivars which come with other perks aswell.
Pz
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Thanks for your information and candor. I like the fact that you don’t pull any punches and speak your mind; I have a 100 of these little beans and would like to open pollinate them since Tom is acting like he is getting ready to bounce on something so… Yes when I was doing the diagrams I am looking at the traits being inherited as blocks of C-G and A-T or a gene packet. These discrete packets that form various parts of the plant seem to be inherited in multiples of the monomers that stay quasi stable so it makes for a part specific approach to how the DNA recombines and the math shows this to be the case. Just a matter of finding out whether the genetics are there to create this special type. You seem to think there is better in the African lines and I have no opinion for I have never grown these African types or the ones being grown by others that have crossed the THH in other stuff. I am wondering if it is more like the Skunkmans Haze and better as a breeder type?
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