Pure mullum, oldschool 70’s-80’s version closer to its original thai ancestor origins
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Fatleaved Thai , shortflowering Thai
as recently in Thailand some things got legalized, i was astonished how many Hemp cultivars were grown. That looked like Thinleaved thai.
well, probably it was rapidly spread by a big Company. Im aware this may not represent anything. probably that is cause Thcfree weed is more legal (i have problems understanding the Legal Status of Cannabis in Thailand)
Basically this may be completly unrepresantive.
Well, i talked with the writers of Thaistick Book.
They said originally the Thaistick came from an Area between Vientiane to Mukdahan.
It was originally grown by the Nyaw People.
On wikipedia it says The Tai Nyaw believe that they are descendants of people originally from the northernmost part of Laos and Tonkin or immigrants during Tai migrations. Whatever the case may be, their dialect most closely resembles the Lao dialects from the regions east of [Luang Prabang]
So there might lay the Anchestry of Thaistick. (consider this is just one Mans observation, probably Thaistick was just grown by them, but was genetically from local Genetics)
Some think Thaistick has anchestry in Chinese Ganja…
From somewhere it has to come from, so… Since Cannabis originated in Himalaya…
Either it came over China, or it was a Hybrid of any other Genetic…
People always forget Adaption to Climate…
So, would any Region of Thailand Laos and so forth feature 13 Weeker Thai-Strains that can be called pure, fully adapted?
Well, thats up for Scientists to say.
One of the coldest/southern Regions is Vietnam.
Go search for Dalat Vietnam VIDEOS when people dont shoot photos just while Sun. They always wear a jacket, i was blown away how the mix of constant Rain, actually not supper cold Temperatures, but Rain and air leads People to wear Jackets on this 5000 Feet Mountain-Hill- Troughout most days.
So , in Dalat im not astonished really there are the 13 Weekers Plants.
In Thailand, looking up the Temperatures of the hills where The Nyaw People supposedly derivered from…
Well i cant find much Temperature charts, but on the first sight i dont see that many Jackets in Luang Prabang , but in North Laos the Jackets come into play again.
Hey i dont know why i heard of 12 Weeker Thai-Strains… And even Autoflower Thais found in thailand.
I can say they seem a bit more rare then the vietnamese shortlowering-sightings IMHO.
Also the 80s Thaiweed was said to suddenly be more fat-short…
What was it , i dont know.
I just say, dont rule out that its just indigenous … Anything can adapt acording some Evidence…
DUNNO
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I forgot: the Thaistickbook author said Thaistick was grown from mid Juli till November… thats the rainy Season.
Its still tropical hot in vientiane… I didnt wanna imply coldness there
But this Broadleave 80s ThaiStuff came also from the north Thailand, as some say.
So, we probably would have to look into this region, what happend there-
I assume, just assume most broadleave Thai stuff was found in the 80s?
Atleast the 70s Thaistick was mostly thin, as people say.
You know , since the 80s Thai was quiet often a bit fatter, i dont suspect the “todays Hybridisation” as a my go-to Explonation for it. It was very sudden in the 80s that Brodleaves were exported, and quiet consistently.
Sorry for those unconclusive posts.
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I don’t mind the crumbs if they come from a chefs plate😁i know how much you research this subject. Every little bit of info helps. Like the jacket observation. Most people would overlook that one.
Regarding fat leaves in the 80's...it's possible further domestication or use of fertilizer was in part at play, but no doubt there was hybridization going on too.
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its funny how the sudden Shift in the 80s Thai came so fast and consistent ( like in 5 to 10 years).
In Mexico and Middleamerica the same happend in very similar Fashion. but when i think of the rest of the world… well generally it didnt happen so fast and consistent ? or am i mistacken?
Thats why i wanted to differ it from “todays Hybridisation”.
and if you compare with todays Thai, todays Thai Lines are even thinner in many cases then the 80s stuff. kKind of strange.
What i find even stranger: Thailand in the 80s dint have thaaat much tourism, no?
Its easyer to explain the Fatleaved stuff in Meico trough masses of Hippies doing mix ups.
In thailand, i therfore think of a single group or Seedsuplyers could have actively tried to spread foreign Genetics in order to achieve this? Or sometimes i think, maybe the more strict fight on Drugs lead the Thai people troughout to feature either the more Fatleaved Indigene Thai Stuff, or to spread Afghani Themselve, or spread Chinese Weed themselve. To gain more Yeald.
Just wanted to adress this sudden, consistent Change ,and i dont suspect “normal modern progressive accidental Hybridisation”, but rather a Change in a different fashion .
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@slain @NIGHTMARE the Pictures you show were Grows done by the Military, wich thought they could do it better.
This was more of modern Whiteman Thinking, cause Thais grew their Weed very carefully , same like all their other Plants
They grew one or Two Cannabis Plants in their Garden. And some in a Village communal Garden.
And those Fields you show were massproduction by Military.
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That’s awesome man, I think a lot of SE Asian heirlooms are a bit mixed; Thai domestic weed comes from Cambodia and Laos and Vietnam, so those seeds are bound to end up being propagated, genetics mixed etc.
PNG has some similarities too, but it seems to yellow out big time at the end.
Idk, the golden triangle has been a production hotspot for both weed and opium poppy for a very long time, I would go so far as to say the Thai varieties in general are more potent and developed exactly because there is a significant history of commercial propagation in Thailand, and as @Upstate indicated, the skill of the long time traditional farmers has resulted in heirlooms that can easily reach 20% thc and higher.
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yeah, thats what im saying: white man thought quote: we can do better quote .
but all they did is just to massproduce it. whera the the Thais carefully grew one two beautiful Plants in a Garden.
i havent outed myselve as promoter of white mans thoughts, it was simply what white man said .
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why did the Military in 1980 even grow Thaiweed in the first Place?
what is their Explonation? strange
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Ok, yea they look really good in those pics on the Kwik Seed site so I got a few packs of it, nice price on those too. I’ll search around to see if I can find anyone that grew them out. Really liked the look of the pictured plant as that is the closest to the ones I usually look for in the variety hoping the flavor and effects are there too.
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Yes it is not easy to understand thai laws as you have to be very proficient in thai or have a thai you trust that also knows how to read thai law. It’s not ”legalized” yet as per my investigation though I give it that I haven’t really spent a lot of time trying to understand it all. This is due to it being quite clear that what happened last was yet a step towards legalization but if you read a bit you will see that one of the things that is not yet being legalized is recreational use. This means that to consume legal cannabis you need to have a condition that a thai physician deem require the use of cannabis as a medicine.
It’s unclear to me if foreigners can get legal medicinal cannabis in Thailand at this point, as I said I have not investigated it that deep. I am also not sure at all that any foreigner would benefit from the right to grow any plants on their own if they could get a medical referral to use legal medicinal cannabis.
As I understand it, it’s now possible for thais with medicinal cannabis to grow up to 6 plants for them selves but it’s not legal for all to just grow. As a thai told me when I asked about the new laws: ”It’s not legal to just smoke it for fun yet”.
My hope is that this is just another step and that they will keep legalizing it until it’s legal to just consume it any which way you’d chose to do but at this point it’s not. It has made it so that the social stigma has dropped but it would still be advisable for visitors to the kingdom to be careful, especially in tourist areas where the cops are known to use any kind of laws to extort money from foreigners.
on the ”why would the military grow weed” well, why would anyone grow commercial crops of weed? Money? Same as why they would involve themselves importing it to the kingdom and to different provinces in the kingdom. There’s a reason there’s a lot of check-points making it very dangerous to travel with illegal stuff even domestically. Keeps kind of a monopoly on moving it in and out… reminds me of another kind of organization that is mostly referred to as ”organized crime”
The Thai-sticks, Surfers and scammers or what the title is, is a real nice book and Mike Ritter is interesting to listen to. I believe he said that this is what he saw, it’s not the total truth about all Thai-sticks or all cannabis from the country and he also states that it changed from the early 70s when he started where in the late 70s it was different and a lot of other people got involved. As there were ”cash on the table” people moved in to grab some of it. With more and more local farmers also trying to cash in as well and quality went down… did’t Mike R say that after 1975 general quality had decreased compared to the first years of the 70s. Good book, they did a podcast with Future Cannabis Project that was pretty good too.
Why the sudden stop in big commercial growing in the kingdom happened in the end of the 80s and was almost eradicated by the start of the 90s was due to change in politics. If you have studied any Thai history you will see these changes from political pressure from the west (as in the case with cannabis and other drugs) and from military take-over. That’s my guess, it got too dangerous and/or expensive to do it in country so it moved to areas close by where it was less problems like Laos.
The effects of the eradication of drug trade was pretty effective on things like cannabis and opium poppies as those require fields of plants from which the drugs are extracted but these days the drug problem consists mostly of methamphetamines which is much easier to move/hide the production of as it doesn’t require fields of plants which are notoriously hard to hide and move.
I am not really sure that the writers of the book or any other westerner could really understand the dynamic of those tribal people and the thais as I don’t really think Mike or any of the other western cannabis smuggler/brokers really knew too much about the production. He says he was up at some farms like once or twice a year but as he also points out, and that is very clear from even spending just some time in the country, going anywhere as a westerner outside of the tourist areas and big cities would cause the locals to be aware. I think he said that a westerner up in rural areas would be like a bright light shining in the dark night, everyone would see it, know where you went and what you did. Not a very smart thing if you’re smuggling cannabis or any other illegal activity. I would imagine that it was cooler, even if not safe, to go to farms in the earlier days but it would get increasingly dangerous or stupid to do so as the trade grew.
Just my point of view, I don’t know anything about the 70s trade for sure as I wasn’t there but some things are still logical when doing stuff in Thailand. Lovely country but it can be very dangerous as a foreigner to do things they want to make money on themselves.
the planting seasons in general are for a Nov/Dec harvest the plants need to be planted in MayJun for the later harvest window Feb/March they were simply planted a bit later like Aug/Sep. Depending on where the location is the monsoon/rainy season vary a bit, the planting times were to let the plants flower in as dry of a climate as possible. It’s not nice to have flowering plants in the monsoon. If planting in August you will have plants flowering later than plating earlier in the year as they will grow in vegetative state even if the photoperiod is 12/12. It’s like the pure southeast asian types are on the totally other side of a scale from auto flowering types where I feel they have a delayed flowering response (compared to say indoor hybrids) which allow them to grow in vegetative state even if the photoperiod is set for flowering. But that’s just my gut feeling I don’t really know this.
all the best!
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Lol! Yes they are!
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I agree. They are sort of “autos” ( they are not)that usually require 12 hrs or less light per day to flower. Like an auto, they have a veg cycle, too, even with 12/12, but its longer than auto veg cycle. 2 times as long, roughly. I’d love to find one that will flower with 14 or 15 hours daylight. That would be sweet!
@StocktonT this info wasn’t for you per se…I try to put information together so that people new to the subject can grasp it better…tropicals are very different than short flowering indica hybrids. I’m learning new stuff all the time and I’m not exactly wet behind the ears. Great post above. 
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Hey @Upstate, any good information and discussion is good for me and others for sure man, bring it hehe. I like to talk about it too as I only have half-assed ideas from the stuff I’ve seen. I agree with you on the auto thing, I was going to write that exact word but chose to, in a round-about way say the same thing, like I usually do. Southeast asians seem to have some sort of similarity to auto flower with respect to their sensitivity or reaction to photoperiod as I have seen the ”delay” to respond from seed and some weeks to months, I think it is due to them being acclimatized to tropical environment and the photoperiod of that environment. I grew Amensia x Jack Herer in the same spot too and if they don’t get to veg under supplement lights (to extend their daytime hours” they will flower very quickly and you’d be left with a very small yielding plant where the thais would just ”veg-on” until they were bigger which I think is some sort of ”built-in” protection from going the same route as the hybrids I grew.
there’s a lot of other things that impact the way southeast asians look and behave, the temps, the humidity etc. which can also be a problem when growing denser flowering types like hybrids, got to watch out or you’ll lose it to molds and stuff. There’s a lot of bugs too, I got some that came and ate piece of the stems off each plant twice first time I germinated seeds outdoors before the locals told me it was a bug and I had to put the plants on a table and away from certain trees and other flowers where those insects lived. Moved them three yards up on a wooden table and boom, no dead plants from having the inside of their stems sucked out so they just wilted and died.
The tropics is both really good for growing but it’s also really good for things that want to kill your plants, circle of life and all that.
always appreciate your input my friend! thanks for sharing
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I bet you have all sorts of creepy crawlies over there that would horrify me lol. Stem suckers eh? Damn! Good thing you got good info from the locals!
How about slugs/ snails? Must have some giant ones over there. Last summer the slugs and snails left my Thai plants alone. I was thinking they must have developed some nasty tastes to the slimy bastards. Ever any issues?
Maybe time for some pictures, if I posted them before sorry, too lazy to scroll back but here’s some assorted pics from the lovely kingdom.
First up some different type of plants:
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Purple Thai?? hahaha I know the Purple Thai that is known under that name was a Thai x Mexican that DJ used and this has no relation, just a purple seedling…
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I have talked about the Green and Brown types of southeast asian that I have encountered. Found two pics, one of each type, they’re maybe not the best examples (the green one is a bit dark and the photos are with a phone that’s not a very new one) but both were really good weed I bought at two different islands.
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I always collect seeds from the best smoke and I tried to grow most of them but kept some for a longer time which isn’t very good in tropical climate, like with plants, there’s also a lot of things with the climate that makes things like seeds go bad quickly.
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If you want to smoke a joint but worried that the locals see everything you do then do as the locals use the leaf of a kind of palm tree as ”paper” and roll a ”bai-jak”, this one with just green type Thai in it, the locals smoke it with their local tobacco which is really potent too but in a tobacco way. Even if I am from Europe I never rolled joints or smoked bongs and mixed the weed with tobacco. Me and my friends usually got to smoke our joints alone as some people thought we were crazy much like the thais think I am when I tell them I’d rather smoke it pure. They think it’s ”too strong” if not mixed with tobacco I tell them tobacco is to strong even if mixed with weed, lol, to each their own!
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One christmas when I was harvesting some plants that were lightly seeded, like 10-20 total on three plants wasn’t too bad, I trashed the stems and leafs and stuff and one seed must have slipped in there too. This guy just had a pile of trash (as you can see some plastic even in there) and one day he called me over and asked why I wanted the neighbors to know he had some weed plants, I was like what? He laughed and off we went to his place and there was a plant growing out of his trash after a bit of rain, lol, called it Trash-plant Thai, not to be confused with hash-plant thai, hehe.
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