I was like,”No, uh uh, there was not a Sour Diesel cross on that list, LunarMOG is wrong.” Because I loooooove Sour Diesel and I didn’t notice that one at all. But then I looked at the list again. See? This is why you should not look at seed lists/order seeds when you’re drunk. I missed that one completely. I’m pretty sure I’m gonna have to grab a couple packs of those, as well. If they’re still available… Fuck.
Thanks for the info re: The AfPak male. I feel like every breeder’s males “improve structure etc etc.” haha!
Yeah, I’ve heard of FaceOff. I remember it came out right at the height of everything being a “blahblahblah OG.” Everything was a “(insert name here) OG.” It was ridiculous. Kind of like now, how everything is a “blahblahblah Cookies.” Stupid shit.
I do know that FaceOff has a good reputation. I dunno. I’ll probably end up sending those to somebody who I trade seeds with. Not that I think they’ll be bad. If Doc thinks it was good enough to cross with, it’s probably good. I just have a lot more stuff that I’m way more interested in.
See: two posts above. An accurate representation of Sour Diesel is all I’ve ever been looking for haha. And I’m talking about the flavor; with SD, the high is kind of secondary. It’s an okay high, but the flavor is where it’s at. I’m looking for that mouth-coating, “still tasting it thirty minutes later”-kind of weed. All fuel-y and skunky and sour and funky, where the taste keeps evolving in your mouth.
I just emailed Doc an hour or two ago so I could buy another pack (Purple Pakistani x afpak) just because I made some extra money. In the email I happened to ask him about the afkansastan/X18 male, his response was:
“…the afpak male lends his beefy structure to his progeny, he tends to let the high and aroma of the mom shine while adding some sweet or acrid depth to the aroma and flavor.”
Don’t shoot the messenger! I may hunt a couple packs in the coming month(s). Since the Purple pakistani is not far removed from landrace stock, I hope what Doc says is true… to improve yield. But more so, I hope the Afkansastan (or X18) improves upon taste, mostly. I’ve heard people boast about about the affy having hints of coughdrop cherry, and of course the X18 being apple/stone fruit. My friends and I want some new flavors that actually last when hitting the joint.
For sure dude. This is it with me too. It has a smell and flavor that is unparalleled and unique. I enjoy the stone, don’t get me wrong. However, it’s more about the fragrance and flavor for me.
Same with the Piff. You and I have already discussed that one though
Okay, that helps. But again, it seems like every breeder’s males do that haha. I’m not doubting him or anything and, honestly, that seems to be the best or most desirable trait in a male. Something that retains the best traits of the female it’s crossed with, while improving whatever drawbacks said female possesses. Especially if they’re crossing the male to a clone-only. Any male that keeps the cross of a clone-only as close to the mom as possible is great.
I also just emailed him about an hour ago to see about the Outer Limits seeds haha. Haven’t heard back yet.
I am interested in * Vietnam Black 164 (Kiona Cut) S1- max 1 per customer
Is there anyone that has any grow journals or smoke reports on that one? Also would like to know what the flowering time is on that. I have been after this strain ever since I first read it’s description and my intention is to be a steward of this strain for preservation purposes. I’ve emailed Doc D with my questions but feel free to chime-in if you have any information about this one.
Also interested in more information on the history of the “Mexican Death Sativa”?
The Mexican Death Sativa is a cross made by Jim Ortega (maybe you’ve heard of the Ortega Indica strain? Same dude, even if Google tells you that it was bred by Mr. Nice seeds or whoever). Apparently, he took all of his favorite Mexican strains and created the Mexican Death Sativa. Kind of a similar breeding process as Haze, except the genetics are all Mexican. I’ve read that there are different phenotypes (not surprising), but that the Guerrero phenotype is a popular and sought-after one. I have no idea what a Guerrero phenotype looks like, but that’s the one that Kiona etc have been raving about on IG. I’ve got two of the Mexican Melon (MDS x Dragon Energy) females in veg now, gonna flip on July 1. One of them is growing strangely, but in a good way. She’s throwing branches really randomly, one branch will grow to the right, then, a half-inch above, another branch will grow at a like 100 degree angle from the branch below… Never seen anything like it.
As far as the Vietnam Black, I don’t know much about it, but I did get some of the #164 as freebies from Doc a while back. No plans to run them any time soon. I sometimes suffer from panic attacks and from everything I’ve read about Vietnam Black, it doesn’t sound like a strain that somebody who’s dealing with panic attacks should blaze haha…
Thank you, very nice site and a historic one. Glad to be on here. I first read about this place more than 10 years ago when I first began going through the Cannabible by Jason King. I believe the web site was down at the time but I was an active poster at Grasscity and Breedbay, so I may of talked to some of you in the past. I tend to develop fascinations with particular strains and dive head first into seeking out all of the information that I can on them
If you’re on a phone or an ipad, just touch the beginning of the sentence you wanna quote and a prompt or whatever should come up. Then you can just highlight everything you wanna quote and then hit the “quote” prompt. I’m not sure how you do it on a desktop or a laptop, but probably if you take the cursor and click on the beginning of the sentence you wanna quote, you’ll see the same prompt. Maybe.
Welcome to Overgrow, MotaMan. Doc has some gems. for sure. I have not grown out his Vietnam Black, yet. I did grow Vietnam x Black Thai outdoors. It was a 16 week flower cycle.The high lasted 3 hours. All mental, no body. Spatial awareness expanded and contracted with my thoughts, yet faster than normal. The taste was floral, with a very mild berry accent on the exhale.
This is the truth. The churchy soapy ones are pretty apparent relatively early on. Usually the smelliest plants, too. The oniony body odor “green” metallic smelling ones usually stay that way.
Just to add some extra info to the AfPak info, Doc D’s AfPak (Afkansastan x X18 Pakistani) came from a pack of seeds he got from Bodhi. Bodhi’s description of this cross can be found here: https://themodern.farm/Bodhi.txt but I’m including the text, too.
afkansastan x X18 pakistani
originally this project was to try and lock down mr danks superb 80’s afghani in seed form, by creating some f2 kids to breed back into the mom, but the pure f1 hybrid had such amazing traits in structure, vigor, yeild, and overall beauty that the path turned into the goal and i dont think we need to go any farther.
on the parents: tom hills x18 pakistani was very similar in kush like structure, tree fruit and musk aroma, and unique awake indica high and seemed like a perfect match to the 80’s era clone only from kansas via afghanistan. this hybrid has a fantastic open structure with big sticky indica buds that smell and taste of pear, persimmon, yudzu, honeycomb, and musky wildflowers, and a dreaming awake high that soothes the weary body and mind. a cautionary notes: this hybrid has only been tested outside, and areas with high mold pressure may not be favorable for this line…
I grew a Strawberry Milk x AfPak female last year. It trended toward the AfPak male in structure and possibly in effect, but the smell–OMG the smell–was an intoxicating aroma of tropical fruity cream with a bit of funk. My wife can tell when I crack open that jar, because it’s maintained almost all of that after almost a year in the jar. Doc D told me that the taller, stretchier AfPak crosses take after the females and the shorter ones take after the male. When they take after the male, they tend to have a little more of a narcotic effect than when they take after the females.
Nice, thanks for the info. I’ll just add that Doc D mentioned to me that the AfPak male will add a little sweetness to its crosses. I dunno if that’s generally speaking, like it adds sweetness to whatever it’s crossed with, or if that was just in reference specifically to the Outer Limits cross that I had asked him about. Either way, I had my September 1 grow all planned out: Bandaid Haze, Bodhi’s Soar and Meangene’s Skycuddler f3. But I just put some money in the mail and I think the Outer Limits is gonna replace one of those. The Bandaid Haze is definitely getting grown out, I don’t wanna wait on those any longer, but I dunno about the other two. And I’ve got a bunch of the Columbia Gold x Dragon Energy, too, that I reeaalllyyyy wanna grow ASAP.
Looking forward to how your Bandaid Haze do. A growmie has 4 Bandaid Hazes in a 5 gallon bubble bucket . He went 12/12 from seed and ran out of headroom. He said he had to top them in flower multiple times to keep them out of the lights. Looks like a jungle.
Here’s a link to a recent grow of Doc’s VB.