Very nice! My csi bubblegum has leaves like that
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@Oldtimerunderground I agree, it’s going to be interesting. I though it was only the veriegation since people say tmv is rare, but then I noticed that one leaf has the tip curved on both plants and a mosaic pattern on one leaf. It could totally be just variegation.
@JoeCrowe I found pack of 5 pack tmv test kits for like 70$ plus shipping if you want. I could send you cuttings once they’re bigger.
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I will work on prepping a bio hazard containment zone. I can’t make any promises on when it’ll be ready, as I need some supplies to get it ready, from the hydro store. I am seriously hoping in just a few months I’ll be ready! Also, I am reading the literature on multiple plant virus life cycles to get prepped. University studies only heh heh. Here’s some food for thought from the lab: It’s impossible to symptomatically diagnose a virus in plants.
Anyone could be excused for thinking this plant has some kind of virus - but I did that to it.
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On a more positive note, yesterday I harvested the first NYC Diesel or whatever it really is and I’m excited!
The babies
2 RK 62 x Diesel Ryder f2 popped
1 Black Lebanon bx x SB popped
2 more SB s1 popped
That’s it for now.
The sick plants (SB mother and the first s1), the marks show a lot more in real life, the camera and light make it look like nothing. The motor grows all weird and seems to be hungry and struggling. The s1 is growing fatter but not gaining any height. Variegation shows a lot on secondary growth.
And finally the last NYC Diesel
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The S1 is doing good, for some reason it’s not growing any higher (could be virus, genetics or too much red light maybe), the secondary and new growth show variegation. The leafs look different then the mother.
The mother
The babies
- Black Lebanon bx × SB
- RK62 × DR
- SB s1
- SB s1
- RK62 × DR
My zero effort gravity hash.
What you see is the bottom of my 3 piece grinder. I think it used to be 4 piece with the screen but I don’t even remember how I got it. So what I do is nothing… I just use it normally for 2+ months, gravity and nature will take care of the rest. After some time you’ll get a layer of kief from multiple strains that has naturally pressed itself over time. When I feel like it I scrape it all and try to manually press it into a ball. Most of the times it keeps its shape just enough that I can put away in a small jar for the rainy days. A trick I use when I think about it is to lightly pass your finger on the surface of the pressed kief to remove accessible impurities. I’ll post some balls made in the past later tonight. Definitely not the best, but considering the ease and decency of the final result it’s not bad. This is perfect for stealth smoking at work, just empty a cigarette, work some hash in the tobacco and stuff it back.
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Nice diary brother!!! that NYC Diesel is a dream, ahn ?
In my region we call that powder what downs from grinder of kief…
You will press it or just use in the blends?
I thinking if its possible get the bubble hash texture pressing with warm bottle… do you already tryied?
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@LionsNaughtyBeans Yes I press it my hands. The bottle won’t work, this hash is way too dirty, sometimes it barely holds itself.
Mybad people I fell asleep. It appears I already smoke most of the balls I had. On top are roughly pressed chunks and on the bottom the remaining of a small ball
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I have a pollen press and press the kief into ‘slugs’.
They smoke nicely in a small pipe.
I don’t understand why it’s called a “pollen press” as you never press pollen in it… 
Cheers
G
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NYCD is dry enough for a smoke test
Edit: definitely needs a cure lol, but it was a nice taste I haven’t had in a long time.
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Here are the seedling. Half I planted didn’t pop, but the ones that did are doing great. I germed 3 c99×mendo breath and put them in soil once I saw a tail.
The SB s1 on top left like skipped a node or something.
The reveg, hungry af.
The first S1.
The last NYCD
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So besides the leaf curl and variegation (the lighting makes it hard to see), the plants are growing pretty fine and it does kind of look pretty. The black Lebanon cross is also looking good for now. The fucked up seedling has twisted leafs too, is it just a mutant or is it tmv . And it grows super weird.
The 3 c99×mb just came out of the ground.
I hate transplanting, it’s so messy. I think I’ll get some of those cardboard pots that disintegrate once in soil. They should be nice just bury it and it’s done.
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Okay everyone check this out. Best theory up to date. Genetic mosaisism. Super interesting stuff.
They took cuttings from the bottom middle and top of a plant. They sequenced (or whatever its called) the 3 sets of cuttings and found that the more you go away from the base of the plant the more genetic mutations you get.
That means genetic drift does occur depending on where you take your cuts. If you take new cuts each time, after a few generations or even one, the genetics change, well they may change. So in order to preserve genetics through cloning you would have to make a selection of the cuts that are the closest to the base of the plant or to its original geno/phenotype. That would also explain all the different cuts from a single mother plant (ie:gsc).
If you want you can read the whole story, but in short I’ve been taking clones of clones and hit them with pollen from… you guessed it, a clone and always from the top of the plant.
The variegation seems to fade away on the biggest S1, that would be the plant trying to fix itself. It’s a common “problem” in the variegated ornamental plants community they tend to revert back to normal after some time.
Now to confirm the new theory I will try to infect all the plants in the tent by rubbing the deformed leafs on the mother and give a nice massage to all the seedlings.
I feel enlightened.
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You are moving towards knowledge! I love it!
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Woah thats good info
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Really good information brother!!!
thanks for sharing ! 
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Yeah, I can go pretty deep when I don’t feel lazy… or when: curiosity > laziness.
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The best part is you figured out how to determine if it’s an infectious disease. Once you know if that’s false, things will fall into place. Even if it’s not false, it’ll answer so many questions.
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So everyone in the tent should be infected, if it’s a virus. It felt so wrong lol.
For now we only had degeneration in the s1 population.
On the mother only 1 leaf had the curl and te variegation, this could also be because of the weird growth of the reveging process.
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I was re listening to the pot cast (2nd Ryan Lee episode) and they straight up talk about the variegation and leaf curl. Apparently it also shows in dj shorts blueberry because he bread for these traits.
This paper talks about selfing. It basically says that selfing a single genotype on itself can result in lower yield and less vigor, which confirms a 2015 study. The solution would be to hit the plant another genotype of the same strain or another strain completely. They also noticed variegation in their s1 population.
So I guess this concludes the mystery. Don’t make S1’s with the same plant. Or if you do maybe take a cut from the top and one from the bottom and report back with the results.
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I think this is telling me to cross my Critical+ fem (S1) with my OG Kush male and it will be a good thing…
Cool!
That’s encouraging as that is exactly what I’m planning on doing. 
Cheers
G
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