What tone?
How do you have a tone on the internet?
Could folks be misinterpreting what I am trying to say?
How is this misunderstood?
I guess it was my tone… 
What about your tone?
Some may not appreciate that.
I suggest we overlook tone and try to decide what the person is really saying instead of reading something into it that was not intended.
Some get it, some never will.
Pro tip, meeting with your representative is often more fruitful than letters or phonecalls.
Nice! 
I love this, it is waaay better than…
The further a thread gets away from actually hands on growing, the further I should stay from it. I understand the need for conversation about other aspects of cannabis. I just need to stay out of them. The personalities can get in the way of the message. Kinda sad.
I don’t think they are necessarily personal attacks. I think its the redundancy in your passionate posts on this. It can come off as kinda beating a dead horse. All valid points. I wouldn’t stress to much on what someone thinks.
I agree 100%
Make perfect sense, I wonder why this is soo hard for some folks to see?
No doubt, I can not see how anyone could argue against this.
I agree 100%
They have lied and lied, why would we assume they would suddenly stop.
This is a realistic fear and could very well come into play in the future.
We can see it starting already, why would it not continue, big money hates folks being able to self-supply.
I do believe this is what folks generally think, the fringe think it will somehow suddenly be about what the people really want.
I am with you here. 
You make some good points…duly noted!
This is quite a bombastic analogy. I don’t think anyone’s being raped though. Certainly not right in front of any of us. Instead, we’re grappling with injustice on a far larger scale. And, for the record, it’s far from the only injustice society faces. None of us can do anything about it on an individual scale, though, very unlike just walking by someone being raped.
I think you’re extremely passionate about getting the best deal possible because you think cannabis being put on schedule 3 federally will change the laws of your own state and impact your own freedom. You’re scared. I don’t blame you. Many of the rest of us, however, are not in a position of having anything to lose. We already have no freedom, and haven’t for most of our lives. Getting angry at us because we feel helpless to affect change - because we’ve wanted to for our entire lives and it hasn’t happened and it’s so much bigger than us that it simply can’t be done on a personal scale - is counterproductive. You’re attacking your own best allies because you’re frustrated that none of us can do anything - or at least, you’re so frustrated that it’s easy for it to come across as an attack.
We need abolishment of the schedule system which has nothing to do with medical concern or public safety. You can see this by the countless opioid and drunk driving deaths that occur every year. When the first marihuana tax act was passed in 1937, there wasn’t even a true consultation with any kind of medical association and the people who were voting were just fed propoganda. The same thing happened with Nixon.
None of this has ever been about your health or your well being. It has been a way to profit from interested sectors in multiple ways while keeping down whoever/whatever you don’t want. The evidence is so abundant directly from the government that there’s no real argument there. What does this mean? It means all of these laws are bullshit and make no logical sense so you must demand full prohibition of adult usage and freedom like any other herb like basil or parsnips.
Literal millennia of evidence in favor of cannabis vs. less than 100 years of a few special interest groups protecting their profit over the well being of the populace.
No real argument there. The sticking point is convincing the people who have power to make a huge change (not people on a growing forum).
I’m pessimistic about that change ever happening.
I wouldn’t discount that there are some people who still think cannabis is the demon’s weed and legalization will lead to terrible things. They may not be in the majority, but they’re a faction.
I wonder if polling ever asks people about whether homegrowing should be legal?
My point was simply this.
Folks will see things that are wrong on every level and they will choose not to act they do nothing.
That is a big problem today and if left unchecked things like that will continue to happen.
For reference, I personally saw a buch of people walking by a girl being attacked and did nothing.
My friend and I stepped in…I know I am painting myself the hero again but what is true is true.
This happens too often in my opinion.
Maybe maybe not…
But if we were to ban together instead of infighting things may be very different.
Not really, folks today seem to have lost the ability to stand up for what is right
I feel these same folks would just walk right past someone being victimized, I have seen it with my own eyes
I have little faith in folks like this and it is way too common.
That is the same old BS that was stated back in 2013.
This is not about me or my freedom it is about doing what is right for the sake of doing what is right, I have said this over 100 times through the years and it always seems to revert back to my personal freedom and what is best for me.
Bro I aint scared, stoptrying to define me, you don’t know me like you think you do
So screw the rest of the world right?
Forgive me for putting words in your mouth here but it would seem that is what you are saying.
I aint attacking anyone.
I am just saying stand up for yourself.
Folks seem to have given in to defeat.
I simply suggest you fight until you take your last breath.
Or lie down in defeat if you really feel that is best.
If we do not fight for freedom we will have none, this is well known but seems to have been forgotten.
I must admit I am frustrated at the fact that folks so easily admit defeat without even fighting back.
I must say, I am very misunderstood.
I speak my mind in what I feel is a clear and concise way to the best of my ability but folks always wanna read in something that is not there.
If you wish to know how I feel you should ask me rather than tell me how I feel.
As you well know I will be happy to tell ya.
So please stop forming my opinion for me and just ask me how I feel.
Also what I hear is…“Why should we even try?”
I will fight for what I believe in until I take my last breath, others…not so much.
I personally feel my way is better but to each their own.
If you chose to go lay down and do nothing that is your choice, but why are folks telling me I should keep quiet?
When we stop fighting for our freedom we will have none.
Just ask a vet what the hell were they laying their life on the line for?
Some were drafted and had no choice but to survive. Fuck sched 3 it’s a plant not a drug. I’m against the schedule 3 it needs to be fully legal like sugar or anything else in the free market. Weed should cost the same as sugar by the pound.
I agree 100%
By accepting sched 3 you are saying that you agree that cannabis is more dangerous than xanax ect. by default
If you disagree that it is not, I feel one should stand up and say this.
Otherwise, people assume you agree it is…No?
Why do we accept lies as truth?
Why would we accept cannabis is more dangerous than Xanax when it is not?
Why should we accept lies as truth?
I feel we are failing our brothers by accepting lies as truth.
Does this not lead to more lies being forced upon us as if they were truth?
I truly feel it does.
Some reading material for the nay sayers…
Government
by Frederic Bastiat, 1848
I wish some one would offer a prize for a good, simple, and intelligent definition of the word “Government.”
What an immense service it would confer on society !
The Government! what is it? where is it? what does it do? what ought it to do? All we know is, that it is a mysterious personage; and, assuredly, it is the most solicited, the most tormented, the most overwhelmed, the most admired, the most accused, the most invoked, and the most provoked of any personage in the world.
I have not the pleasure of knowing my reader but I would stake ten to one that for six months he has been making Utopias, and if so, that he is looking to Government for the realization of them.
And should the reader happen to be a lady: I have no doubt that she is sincerely desirous of seeing all the evils of suffering humanity remedied, and that she thinks this might easily be done, if Government would only undertake it.
But, alas! that poor unfortunate personage, like Figaro, knows not to whom to listen, nor where to turn. The hundred thousand mouths of the press and of the platform cry out all at once -
“Organize labor and workmen.”
“Repress insolence and the tyranny of capital.”
“Make experiments upon manure and eggs.”
“Cover the country with railways.”
“Irrigate the plains.”
“Plant the hills.”
“Make model farms.”
“Found social workshops.”
“Nurture children.”
“Instruct the youth.”
“Assist the aged.”
“Send the inhabitants of towns into the country.”
“Equalize the profits of all trades.”
“Lend money without interest to all who wish to borrow.”
“Emancipate oppressed people everywhere.”
“Rear and perfect the saddle-horse.”
“Encourage the arts, and provide us musicians, painters, and architects.”
“Restrict commerce, and at the same time create a merchant navy.”
“Discover truth, and put a grain of reason into our heads. The mission of Government is to enlighten, to develop, to extend, to fortify, to spiritualize, and to sanctify the soul of the people.”
“Do have a little patience, gentlemen” says Government, in a beseeching tone. “I will do what I can to satisfy you, but for this I must have resources. I have been preparing plans for five or six taxes, which are quite new, and not at all oppressive. You will see how willingly people will pay them.”
Then comes a great exclamation: - "No! indeed! where is the merit of doing a thing with resources? Why, it does not deserve the name of a Government!
So far from loading us with fresh taxes, we would have you withdraw the old ones. You ought to suppress
“The tobacco tax.”
“The tax on liquors.”
“The tax on letters.”
“Custom-house duties.”
“Patents.”
In the midst of this tumult, and now that the country has again and again changed the administration, for not having satisfied all its demands, I wanted to show that they were contradictory. But, what could I have been thinking about? Could I not keep this unfortunate observation to myself!
I have lost my character forever! I am looked upon as a man without heart and without feeling - a dry philosopher, an individualist, a plebeian - in a word, an economist of the practical school. But, pardon me, sublime writers, who stop at nothing, not even at contradictions. I am wrong, without a doubt, and I would willingly retract. I should be glad enough, you may be sure, if you had really discovered a beneficent and inexhaustible being, calling itself the Government, which has bread for all mouths, work for all hands, capital for all enterprises, credit for all projects, oil for all wounds, balm for all sufferings, advice for all perplexities, solutions for all doubts, truths for all intellects, diversions for all who want them, milk for infancy, and wine for old age - which can provide for all our wants, satisfy all our curiosity, correct all our errors, repair all our faults, and exempt us henceforth from the necessity for foresight, prudence, judgment, sagacity, experience, order, economy, temperance, and activity.
What reason could I have for not desiring to see such a discovery made? Indeed, the more I reflect upon it, the more do I see that nothing could be more convenient than that we should all of us have within our reach an inexhaustible source of wealth and enlightenment - a universal physician, an unlimited treasure, and an infallible counselor, such as you describe Government to be. Therefore it is that I want to have it pointed out and defined, and that a prize should be offered to the first discoverer of the phoenix. For no one would think of asserting that this precious discovery has yet been made, since up to this time everything presenting itself under the name of the Government has at some time been overturned by the people, precisely because it does not fulfill the rather contradictory conditions of the programme.
I will venture to say that I fear we are, in this respect, the dupes of one of the strangest illusions which have ever taken possession of the human mind.
Man recoils from trouble - from suffering; and yet he is condemned by nature to the suffering of privation, if he does not take the trouble to work. He has to choose, then, between these two evils. What means can he adopt to avoid both? There remains now, and there will remain, only one way, which is, to enjoy the labor of others. Such a course of conduct prevents the trouble and the satisfaction from preserving their natural proportion, and causes all the trouble to become the lot of one set of persons, and all the satisfaction that of another. This is the origin of slavery and of plunder, whatever its form may be - whether that of wars, imposition, violence, restrictions, frauds, &c. - monstrous abuses, but consistent with the thought which has given them birth. Oppression should be detested and resisted - it can hardly be called absurd.
Slavery is disappearing, thank heaven! and, on the other hand, our disposition to defend our property prevents direct and open plunder from being easy.
One thing, however, remains - it is the original inclination which exists in all men to divide the lot of life into two parts, throwing the trouble upon others, and keeping the satisfaction for themselves. It remains to be shown under what new form this sad tendency is manifesting itself.
The oppressor no longer acts directly and with his own powers upon his victim. No, our conscience has become too sensitive for that. The tyrant and his victim are still present, but there is an intermediate person between them, which is the Government - that is, the Law itself. What can be better calculated to silence our scruples, and, which is perhaps better appreciated, to overcome all resistance? We all therefore, put in our claim, under some pretext or other, and apply to Government. We say to it, " I am dissatisfied at the proportion between my labor and my enjoyments. I should like, for the sake of restoring the desired equilibrium, to take a part of the possessions of others. But this would be dangerous. Could not you facilitate the thing for me? Could you not find me a good place? or check the industry of my competitors? or, perhaps, lend me gratuitously some capital which, you may take from its possessor? Could you not bring up my children at the public expense? or grant me some prizes? or secure me a competence when I have attained my fiftieth year? By this mean I shall gain my end with an easy conscience, for the law will have acted for me, and I shall have all the advantages of plunder, without its risk or its disgrace!"
As it is certain, on the one hand, that we are all making some similar request to the Government; and as, on the other, it is proved that Government cannot satisfy one party without adding to the labor of the others, until I can obtain another definition of the word Government I feel authorized to give it my own. Who knows but it may obtain the prize? Here it is:
"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
Gotcha. I’m tired of being subtly blamed for not being as angry as you, so I’m going to put this thread on mute now. I personally feel my way is better but to each their own.
Ok, fair enough…But…
That is what the folks said when they walked by the victimized girl and did nothing.
Apperantly they were not as mad about it as I was.
I did something to stop it from happening, they did nothing.
If you feel doing nothing is the better way, you are entitled to that.
I do find it a bit funny, that I can have 12 plants and you can have none but I seem to be more angry about it than you are.
I care about others and the injustice they face even if I am living high on the hog.
Imagine if that were to catch on…
I must ask, would it make the world a better place or would it be worse off?
In Michigan, we have some of the best cannabis laws in the nation, yet I am fighting for the rights of those less fortunate like you.
And still, folks will say this is all about me and I am scared or have some personal agenda, not really the truth if you look at it without bias.
Oh you mean like in aerospace and pharmaceuticals… yeah revolving door between industry and .gov (regulators)
that is why boeing was allowed to self-regulate and sign-off on behalf of the FAA on 737-max and did nothing until 2 planes crashed…
The more I look into it the more it looks as the Gov works for the special interests and not WE THE PEOPLE. It’s almost like countries such as the USA are just big corporations under the guise of a COUNTRY. I still prefer my first-world over 3rd!
