That’s tantamount to treason. The people responsible should spend the rest of their lives in prison, however long or short that may be.
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2nd Amendment, not 4th. They were angry because they felt MI’s “Exteme Risk Protection Order” procedure didn’t adequately protect people’s due process rights and had some half-baked idea about the township playing a role in the process.
Here’s the thing though, Holton declaring itself a 2nd amendment sanctuary is likely of no effect (I don’t know anything about MI home rule laws, I see it’s a Dillon’s Rule state). You aren’t very likely to deflect state or federal laws by holding a local vote and declaring yourself a sanctuary, otherwise cannabis would be straight-up legal in all sorts of places where it isn’t (or where it’s legal but heavily regulated).
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They aren’t saying they’re exempt from state or federal gun laws, what they are saying is that Holton township isn’t going to enforce gun laws they feel are unconstitutional.
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One of the news reports said municipal boards can’t direct the police not to enforce state laws?
I don’t know what rural MI is like but around me the police don’t seem to keen on intruding on anyone’s second amendment rights (still, a court order is a court order).
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I am not positive about this but I would assume the cops themselves have elected not to enforce any unconstitutional laws.
Why do I assume this?
It is their sworn duty to do so.
Why?
Because of the oath that every law enforcement officer in the Nation has taken upon entering his/her profession, i.e., to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Because the Constitution is a source of law, everything that is unconstitutional is also illegal.
The U.S. Constitution is considered to be the supreme law of the land. Therefore, any law passed in contradiction to the Constitution (including its various amendments) is automatically considered invalid .
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The problem with this is that it isn’t entirely up to the police to determine what is or is not constitutional, and AFAIK Red Flag Laws have been upheld as constitutional.
You’re making something fairly complex seem incredibly simple.
Ok, if you say so, but they are doing it not me.
They seem to have things under control.
I support anyone who refuses to obey unconstitutional laws.
The constitution clearly expresses our right to be armed and to form a militia.
End of story.
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I am now wondering why we are discussing this?
I only brought it up to make a point.
What point?
I agree 100%
Is it even possible to differentiate delta 9 hemp from delta 9 drug type?
except it very much is not the end of the story, since the constitution is not the end source for our laws, case law and precedent are major contributors. i suggest looking into this a little more so that you are familiar with the process. start at the national guard act and go from there. it pretty much removes that ability that i quoted.
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You may be right, I am unsure and I am no constitutional lawyer so I will be sticking with this statement below.
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and that’s why you’ll never get anywhere with your tactics. it’s wrong, they have to be taken to court to be ruled unconstitutional. sometimes the entire law is thrown out and sometimes just parts of it, depending on how it’s written. that’s why these sovereign citizens are so hilarious to watch. if it were that easy, we wouldn’t need lawyers. and the lawyers have taken care of that.
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Where’s all of that integrity when it comes to cannabis? The whole goddamn War on Drugs is a litany of violations of constitutional rights. Police at every echelon, local, state and federal, consistently oppose ANY reform to drug laws…all while virtue-signaling about guns.
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Legalization means that cannabis will be corporatized more than it already has been, many genetics will be lost and diluted, things will be bred to meet whatever the current hype is, and the same government that destroyed thousands upon thousands of people’s lives while they were growing or selling cannabis to pay the bills, will now be generating a ton of revenue via taxation on cannabis.
I’m all for a legalization, don’t get me wrong. But at the same time, there’s a lot of restitution I need to be paid in many ways before those who prosecuted so many over the years should be able to profit off it.
Regarding corporatization and things being made generic and so on, as they have been with any commodity, that’s where we all come in. Through continuing to preserve, share, and create, all out of love for the plant.
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This is why we keep and trade genetics
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It’s going to be a process. Technically, distilling alcohol, even for personal use, is federally illegal. When was the last time you heard about someone getting in trouble for it? The same will happen with cannabis. As things change, more and more states will probably have hemp farms. Some of it will almost certainly escape and go feral, but no one will care after a while. People have to become desensitized to it. People just have to understand that the presence of cannabis does no mean the end of the world.
FWIW, police departments across the country are having difficulty recruiting/retaining officers. I’d wager the War on Drugs (especially cannabis) has something to do with that. I have a cousin who was a cop, and that’s one of the reasons he quit.
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all I can say is it’s a friggin mess when people where I live can go to jail for 10 years over an ounce and people in other parts of the country have legally been able to buy it at their local store for over a decade.
i’ve never followed politics and to be honest I really don’t care I’ve been considered an outlaw since I was 16 years of age I’ve gotten use to it. got very good at hiding and growing bud without being found. now that I’m 70 to be honest I really don’t give a rats ass what they do. they have backed off us here Johnny law is not hunting us weed growers anymore nobody gives a shit I openly smoke joints wherever I go and I realize my gray hair allows me to get away with a lot of that but I’ve earned it. I shall continue to act like there’s nothing wrong with it because there isn’t, when they legalize it here it won’t affect me not like I’m going to any dispensary anytime soon. yes I still run the risk growing at home but I haven’t had an officer at my house in 27 years and there’s no reason for them to come here and even if they do they’re certainly not coming in so I absolutely have no fear of them anymore.
I read all the replies here wow pretty amazing how a bunch of like-minded stoners don’t agree on much huh.
The one thing I do hope that happens is the poor bastards who were thrown in jail over this plant are set free and some restitution Hass to be made. RJ Reynolds Phillip morris Monsanto will all make billions while young lads rot here in my state in jail some over just joints, just a fubard GD world and I’m glad I’m out of it
Of course with all that said I would live no other place
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I don’t feel bad, at least not all the time. I’m a cautious optimist after all.
There’s nowhere else I would rather be and no other time I would rather be alive.
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Well said brother! 
This burns my ass and is the worst part of it.
People going to prison for cannabis while the judges, cops and congressmen that spent their life putting people in prison for cannabis are now the ones making big money from cannabis.
When you did it, it was wrong.
When I did it, it was cool.
Same action same plant.
A plant that was made illegal based on lies.
So in a sense, folks are going to prison because of lies being told to create unjust laws.
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I wish more people would take the time to learn about the origins of the federal prison system, and how it’s ostensibly an extension of slavery. They used Jim Crowe laws to imprison black people and put them back to work, and take away what few rights they had just earned.
A century and a half later, and its still a tool of the state to oppress the poor and disenfranchised, and nobody seems to care because “criminals are bad”.
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I remember the 80s and 90s, and I’m glad those decades are over. Things were never as rosy as some like to think.
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