Federal legalization in the USA, what does the future hold for cannabis?

Im talking about expunging, and I’ve seen it with my own eyes at the border crossing many times.

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Canadian border are also the most intense ones I’ve ever seen. I have wasted weeks of my life there while they scan the car over and over and play TV cop.

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Anything that gives kids their parents, and opportunities for non violent offenders is a possitive, but without changing the laws that made these people “criminals”, it’s not
a meaningful solution.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, an executive order started the drug war, and an executive order could end it.

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This could be done no doubt.
And that original order was based on lies and maybe even racisim.
Might be a good time to end the lies and deceit surrounding cannabis prohibition.
All that stands in the way is a huge ass pile of cash…LOL

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@DirtySlowToes this was pre-legalization in Canada, last time I crossed by land must’ve been 2011. And that time there was a guy who had his juvie record expunged and was shocked when they told him they could see it. He rode by motorcycle from Florida to an Alberta crossing, and refused to pay the “re-education fee” and turned back around.
That guy definitely would’ve appreciated the heads up lol.

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Ahh. Yessir I do understand that. When it pops up is the worst feeling. No hostility towards you, I came in hot :fire: my b

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All good man. All the most brilliant people I know get amped up in the pursuit of something. Don’t really see it as a bad thing at all.

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Lol first time I went to Canada I was on my bike. They asked me if I was in any clubs…I said yep I was in the French club in high school…dam they have no sense of humor. Spent the next 2 hrs getting questioned and searched…they didn’t fing my bud hidden up in the interior of my helmet tho :wink:

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:laughing: when theyd send us to US side they would usually laugh at our impressions of the CPB folks.

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Ok think about this…….I was never convicted federally or by a state on any cannabis things….but if I applied and got a certificate of pardon……would I be able to transport weed across state lines without fear of federal prosecution? Say Oklahoma to Colorado if I have a mmj liscence in ok. And considering Colorado is a recreational state.

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Wow who knows holy $&&$ Batman

:exploding_head:

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In my opinion, full blown legalization wouldn’t be beneficial. Too many greedy hands in the cookie jar until there’s nothing left. That being said, I’m all for complete federal decriminalization.

My biggest fear with complete federal legalization is that big conglomerates and corporations will most likely try to monopolize the plant. Companies like Phillip Morris and the like that has been lobbying to maintain schedule 1 status and big pharmaceutical companies that have restricted the research on cannabis and actively lying about the little research that has managed to be done, will be the same ones running to the patent office with their slightly genetically modified cannabis plants to gain overall monopoly power over the entire industry.

The gene pool will be even more watered down than before. Breeders will find themselves unable to breed or make more stock because their genetics will have already been patented through some shady back door loophole. The seeds and clones going forward will be completely sterile. The home grower will more than likely be unable to legally grow their own because Philip Morris would have monopoly on the production, and Monsanto will have monopoly on the genetics.

Everyone will be forced to smoke their eagle 20 laden dirt. Mom and pop operations will be run into the ground because the effective collapse of the price of a unit. Anyone found growing without a license from a big corporate entity will be thrown under the jail.

But that’s all assuming the worst.

I’d like for it to happen this way:

Full scale federal decriminalization. Anyone and everyone has the right to grow their own unlimited supply. People who cannot grow their own can be provided for by a caregiver. Big corporations lose their ass because they aren’t trusted by the people. Large scale third party medical research funded by collected taxes. Also collected taxes should go towards education, job creation programs, health care programs and other services that provide the most value to the people. Regulated labs for consistent test results, meaning no inflated lab tests. Anyone with nonviolent federal drug charges related to cannabis should have their charges expunged and felony status revoked and those still sitting in jail should be released immediately after a presidential pardon is issued.

It should be left up to the states to decide what they want to do. But it should be up to the people to do the right thing. Don’t vote for a shitty bill because “oh yeah, legal weed”. Read the fine print.

Peace :v:

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Need AZ to go recreational then can go from Portland to Denver and back. Assuming NM goes rec or I do a perfect hop over the 4 corners monument and somehow hike through the desert north. :laughing:

Applying to the federal government for a pardon pre-emptively seems an odd mechanism. Especially in a country that goes back and forth to opposite parties constantly. Don’t see anything so far to be mad at about Biden’s new move though.

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It’s not even rec here yet but I still ordered a 1/4 of loud on doordash and had it at my door within an hour, so yeah for all practical purposes weeds legal in the us

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That said I’m gonna vote no on PA’s law if it doesn’t allow for homegrow or has a stupidly low plant count like Maryland’s 2 plant limit.

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Maybe I’m missing some sarcasm on your part, but… no? It’s still federally illegal. It’s federally illegal to cross state lines with cannabis even if it’s between legal states, and even if you have a state-issued medical card.

I would expect that if/when the federal government decides to change marijuana laws, it won’t be any kind of broad blanket legalization, it’ll be akin to alcohol, with local licensing requirements, etc. Large corporations will dominate and prices will plummet. Downside is a likely loss of genetic diversity as large producers seek to monocrop something reliable, and people who depended on the money they made selling cannabis will get screwed. Upside will be less enforcement and increased access.

But………with a presidential pardon certificate wouldn’t that be like a get outa jail free card…?

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I wouldn’t expect it to be, no. For one thing it seemingly only applies to simple possession, in a location where the federal government has jurisdiction, and some similar charges.

How often do people get charged with a federal crime for carrying personal use amounts of cannabis across state lines anyway? Probably not often, way more likely to happen in a national park or in DC. If a person gets federal charges for moving cannabis across state lines I’d think it likely involves large amounts.

They don’t. But if reading correct the application for a pardon certificate is available to anyone even if the were never charged with a crime

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