Got ripped off again. how would you handle it?

corporate bullcrap and not outright thievery, so it’s a little harder to deal with for me. add into that equation my new life path which is a long way from the shady side that would know exactly how to handle it three years ago. anyway, here it is: was asked to do a site survey for an ethernet circuit extension for the dhs (homeland security) and if it was too long for ethernet (~300ft) to survey for fiber optic. i found building maintenance and they walked me from demarc to customer and i measured ~200ft so i added 50ft to make it 250 ft total, well under the 300ft limit for ethernet.

fast forward three months (govt sub-contract -itself illegal, subbing out a govt contract that is) and i get an email asking when i was open for the job and to resend the estimate. i sent the ~$1600 estimate that included electrician adding an outlet, but was told building maintenance did that so i gave them one for $800 that included two techs for estimated two hours pulling cable then flat fee for installing the backboard and rack. they said cool, sent the material to my house and i saw that it was a bunch of fiber and a huge rack.

i called and told him and he told me the project manager changed from ethernet to fiber and i told him that was way more expensive to work with than ethernet. they also sent the wrong type of connectors that didn’t match my test equipment and uni-cam fittings instead of fusion splicing connectors. i told him i had to buy new tools for the job and had to charge them something for them. he said ok and send the new estimate and it came to $2050 with $600 for the tools i spent $1550 on and they approved it. when i got there, the elevators were being worked on and there was one for 12 floors and it only went down so it took forever if you had to wait for it to come and take you up.

long story short, it took 5 hours running the fiber and i didn’t charge them for terminating and rolled that into the testing fee. the rack didn’t fit so i had to find one, building maintenance had a small one a tenant had left and gave it to me so i used that. i told them on the first day when i had to come back how many hours it had taken and that the rack didn’t fit and got approval to use the smaller one. it took me two weeks to get the rack taken back to the customer and they tried to pay me $2050 instead of the $3250 on the invoice i sent. i explained the issue and they tried to pay $2982.72 for some reason. they never did give me the other ~$260 because i closed the ticket and took the money so i could pay $1200 on the tool account so as not to ruin my business credit.

here’s the issue. what do i do about it; leave it alone, complain to their finance dept or supervisor, repossess the fiber i ran or a few fittings off of one end, or something else? my first thought is to turn them in for waste, fraud, and abuse, since it’s a govt contract and they opted for the more expensive fiber solution when ethernet would’ve worked and the office is moving in a year. the customer used that phrase when i informed him of the change the first day and i put that in the email i sent when i tool the low payout. i’ll probably do that anyway, but what are your thoughts on what i should do with this?

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Get paid or get litigious.

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I wouldn’t waste alot of time with it for 260$. I would send an invoice every single day with the balance and see who responds first from the company. I know money is money but don’t let this give you any restless nights, then they win!

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It is legal to sub portions of a Government contract up to some % of the total contract amount, unless the contract states otherwise. A GC will sub to all disciplines.

Who did you provide a bid to, DHS or a GC?

$3,000 is a credit card threshold in certain buys. Did they pay via Gov CC?

Is the PM a Gov COR? KO, Site Manager?

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If 260 is worth the time and stress go for it so long as you included an hourly wage for anything above and beyond in your estimate.

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How much is the 260 worth to you? And yes you can sub out some gov contracts.

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it was another company with the govt contract, they subbed it to me. did not know that it was legal for a %age of it, thanx for that info. it was paid through workmarket, online work bidding platform that has no legal protections, much unlike onforce which they purchased. i’m just gonna let it go, i got paid almost $800 for 12 hours work, but i am gonna turn them in for upping it to a fiber install. that would’ve saved almost $1200 for them and i would’ve been done in 4 hrs. a company paid me to install two antennas once and changed the scope of work on me and added an extra 12 hrs labor on top of the 6 i quoted and didn’t pay it at $100 per hour. that was worth giving a homeless guy the gate code, a pair of dikes, and a $10 to go cut the wire where it went into the building. it worked five times before they changed the gate code. idiots. i’m not that guy any more either.

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You went through a lot on this one man. I see this all the time where subs are hosed by the prime and there’s really no recourse here aside from small claims. You may be able to connect with the DHS contract rep to discuss the issue and see if there is anything they can add to the file. Low bid federal work can be dicey. I.e. you may need to start padding your bids to account for gate access, locked areas, elevator issues, etc.

If I were you, I’d get that $260 back on the next one.

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i got it back already from these guys. there are two companies i work for a lot that have govt contracts. they are terrible but pay well. most of the time.

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Glad they made you whole. Now you know, going forward, what to stipulate in your next estimate.

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I would suggest googling stuff like “freelancer pay me” “contractor pay me” to get ideas. Late fees in writing for example. That way you collect 1300 instead of wasting your time for around 300. Liens, payment structuring, change proposals, you want these handled in legal writing etc

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that’s all good, but i don’t want anyone looking too closely for reasons that shall remain obscure. i think i’m good since it’s a work platform and not through the company directly but not 100%. i loved it with onforce since they had legal protection for all and said if it’s in writing it’s a contract. workmarket says it’s not enforceable as a contract. guess which one won that one. nah, it’s all good. just venting this morning. i’m a hemp farmer now! just got my license.

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Did I read $800.00 is what the electrician charged for 1 outlet installation?

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no, that was my estimate on what i was going to charge. i had no idea how much they charged and put a range in there from $400-800. i’ve been burned on not estimating things accurately before but it’s been a while. most of the time i get paid way too much for the work i do but it covers for those few times i don’t.

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I’ll put you 2 outlets in for $800 :+1::chicken:

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for that i’d do it myself and pay for an inspection. i can do the work, just not allowed to inspect it. now if you’d put in three for that we may be closer though.

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Sad part is. The g.c. that subbed to you probably added a ton of extras to they’re billing! Realized there was more billing involved with the Fibre!

That’s what I always heard about govt jobs, you can bill for extras no problem!

I had one job for parks canada…
And I was def the cheapest bid LOL but I had low over head and it was profitable to me. And mainly it was a portfolio gig which payed off on its own and still is!

That sucks they gave you problems and the unforseen mobilization issues.

I received another contract for govt canada the spring after covid hit. They wanted my whole crew to be vaccinated, documentations and everything. I bailed on the last minute.

It was a govt Canaada weather stationstation.

There was a huge antenna on too. I would have had to organized with the staff on the grounds in conjunction to to disconnecting the satellite and any cables. Done my work and have them re attach everything and finish my roof work.

I am sure I could have billed something for any on site delays.

It would have been another portfolio job haha but when I thought it over i canceled.

I provided estimate…
Then they said they wanted RED shingles.

I asked at the beginning if there was any CODE requirements from the person I was dealing with.

No mention of any requirements for code or shingle type / colour.

3 - 4 weeks later. 3rd quote with the red shingles that I sourced.

They finally forwarded the required specs. With another shingle manufacturer and the specific colour.

Which if they provided at beginning i wouldn’t have had to waste my time doing up 3 revised quotes and sourcing specific materials from other vendors.

I informed them I couldn’t proceed .

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Surely our weather station needs a roof!

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I have a roof joke but it would go over your heads
: )

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Lol they probably haven’t found anyone yet hahaha

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